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Match Man Utd vs Tottenham Hotspur | Sunday 29 September | Old Trafford

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It is petulant and dangerous.

He's coming out saying ' I just caught him with my heel'.

Yeah only cos of Maddison's movement. He didn't aim to catch him with his heel. He aimed to catch Maddison wherever he could, studs first, up to knee high while having no control cos he was slipping.

Actually, now I put it like that...ban him for the rest of the season!*











* I may have got a bit carried away.
It does annoy me that tackles where contact isn't made aren't being treated as seriously as where contact is.

We all see plenty of tackles where players go sliding in and the other player jumps up and the ref just plays on. The only reason contact wasn't made was because the player had to jump out of the way to avoid serious injury.

Also times when the player is sliding and narrowly misses a player by millimetres... The player is out of control and by sheer dumb luck avoids seriously injurying a player.
 
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I hope Old Red Nose was sucking a few back watching his team get fucked good and proper!
 
I mean....it was a good performance and all that lads, but I'm still pissed off that West Ham had a better window than us and will finish higher....
Some 'fans' on this forum actually said this early in the season...this place man!....🤦‍♂️

usual suspects

West Ham have better forwards than us

Unpopular opinion. West ham have leftus behind

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It doesn't matter if he missed him entirely.
Are you saying, that if a player set out to go studs up and smash a player in half, but misses, it shouldn't be a red?
The whole point of it being a red card offence is to stop people from doing dangerous shit, not to punish them if and when they injure someone.
Another litmus test: one of the United supporter youtube watch-alongers in real time:
"Oh my god he sends... it's a straight red card...... I need to see this again but... Maybe it's a bit harsh for a straight red... Oh no.... you know, you can see why he's given it... it's a stupid lash-out frustrated studs-up slippy gashtastic dangerous challenge from Bruno"

View: https://youtu.be/jabqBNjtJ_w?t=384
 
Might not be the thread for this, but this is a good video on the tactical rundown of the game:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_06YSJzCdWQ

- on about 3.30 he mentions we made a tactical tweak, pushing our fullbacks up higher, and United's press couldn't adapt, as so:

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But what's strange to me is, we always do this? This isn't a tweak at all, I could find you a millions stills from our games under Ange ball and our set up is identical; fullbacks pushed high up alongside the #10s, and we're in a sort of 2-1-3-4 in build up, with absolutely massive spacing between the CBs and fullbacks.

The narrative of this bit in the video is that United couldn't adjust to our "tactical tweak" with the high fullbacks, and as a result their press was all disjointed. But to me it seems more like United and Ten Hag simply didn't do their homework. Had they done they'd have known this is how we set up every game and adjusted their press accordingly.

- Then at 5.07 a bit on how good our high press was, with a particular shout out to Solanke who the guy claims is probably the best striker in the Prem at pressing the two centre backs, specifically the way he angle's his pressing to block out the ball to the other, as so:

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- Where does De Ligt even pass it here? Our midfield are cutting out all the balls into the middle, everyone ready to pounce. Which leaves either a rushed long ball, or a pass to the right back which will immediately trigger Werner to press him and then you're talking about frantic passes back to Onana.

- I'm convinced Solanke is the glue that makes this all work. Not just his high pressing, which is immense, but Son is also an incredible presser in the #9 and we didn't often have games like this. Where Solanke is so much better than Son (or Richy) is all his back-to-goal play on the ball. He's simply the focal point all our possession revolves around. Brilliant signing.

- United really are shocking in build up as Liverpool showed a fortnight ago but that said, our high press has come on leaps and bounds and huge credit there has to go to Ange and his team; pressing is all about coaching, and the difference in this game arguably came down to one very good press versus one atrocious one.

- 9.40: "This is how you'd play against Spurs if you'd never seen Spurs before". As good as we were this United team played right into our hands.


Every time I watch Man U they look like this. They always look chronically under prepared to face their opponents. FA Cup final aside it’s like they’ve done no work on the opposition at all. It’s definitely a coaching issue with them. It was last season yet they closed their eyes to it.
 
Reminds me of battering City 4-1 at Maine Road in the cup, there's been a pitch invasion already and we get a pen which Sheringham misses. There's only a few mins to go and I always wondered whether he thought "we're winning this anyway and I don't want to get smashed in the face by a pitch invader after making it 5-1"
I remember that well. You see the ref appear to have a quiet word with Teddy who puts the spot kick comfortably wide.

I think the concern was that a second pitch invasion would see the match abandoned. I seem to remember them talking about it on MotD or The Big Match or whatever it was.
 

View: https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1841161995216949504?s=46

Bruno won his appeal. No idea how that gets overturned. I didn’t think it was necessarily a sure fire red but I have seen much less egregious reds stay red.


Correct decision, that was never a red. He slipped and did a feeble “lunge” that barely scrapes him with the side of his foot.

If that red had been given against us I’d be pissing blood. VAR totally incompetent not to recommend an on field review at the time.
 
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