GermanYiddo said:
CiPpi said:
a group of Lazio fan did, but the majority tried to cover it with more appropriate booing or whistling towards the player.
only a group? this isn't a minority and you know it. The Irriducibili is the largest ultras group in Rome who has strong connections to the far right movement. They are all fascist, racist and anti-semitic. And if someone in my stand would do something like monkey-chants, I would kick him out of the stadium, not try to sing angainst him.
Yes, Irriducibili has a far right 'soul'.
but it’s not longer the main group within Lazio supporters, or at least it doesn't have the same strong hold on the Curva Nord, where hard core Lazio supporters usually are, because many of its leaders had been either arrested or put under restricted order and banned from the stadium (the whole picture is particularly complicated and it would required a far longer post and being completely ot with this one).
Those left are more loose cannons, and for what I see the few times I was within them no more than a bunch of teenagers.
Unfortunately, this is where I am convinced the real problem begins, and here we’ll would go for another long post if I was to described the whole picture, fascism in Italy as a country had never died and has always been within the folding pages of the country histories (if you have or had some chance to watch ‘Romanzo Criminale’ or read anything about Bologna massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strage_di_Bologna, may have a broad picture of the problem)
And this where more than anywhere else our problem lays, together with complacency from newspaper and Italian information as all.
On the last one considers that only the day before the match all main newspapers published on their front pages the news that Mauri, one of our player, was being accused of money laundering in connection with the latest scandal ‘Calcioscommesse’ regarding match fixing, while the truth was that he had actually being called only to provide information regarding his mother account in Switzerland where the player transferred 100.000 Euro at a time already ruled out by the magistrates to have any connection with the match fixing scandal.
This not for justify what happened yesterday or to cancel it out but only to say that what you and many of your fellow Spurs see it’s not actually the whole picture on the story and that it would be rather unfair to make a general accusation on the whole Lazio fan and club.
Let alone the negative effects that mass judgement usually has on those who are ‘undecided’ and see they are being judge as they already on the wrong side anyway.
sammyspurs said:
Cippi
You seem like a decent guy, so dont apologise for something you were not part of. There are Scum everywhere you are right..
Could you shed some light on your clubs history and apparent links to facism for us...it all seems very strange
Thanks sammy.
That of the clubs links to fascism is an inaccurate truth.
If I tell you my side of the story, many of my fellow Lazio supporters will disagree as there isn’t any real facts behind it.
It has always being a matter of how Lazio has being perceived as the team of the high middle class people while the ‘merde’ (that’s the closest any Lazio fan can come to call the other team of Rome :biggrin: ) has always being perceived as the team of the working class
and in a country where Left and Right Wing divisions are still today a main part of everyday politics, even it is a simple discussion with your granny, it’s easy to imagine like that meant the Lazio was considered Right wing and ‘merde’ Left.
As for the Irriducibili, they conquered, in the true ‘physical’ meaning of the word, the Curva Nord many years ago (here is a quick history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.S._Lazio_fans ) and their rose to power came roughly at the same time Lazio got into Europe in style.
A coincidence that we still pay today, as none really knows anything else that the Irriducibili, who also had been keeping the club under ‘ransom’, as it is within the ultras of many clubs, if not all of them. This is due to the fact that Italian sporting laws consider the clubs the principal responsible of any kind of trouble (i.e.: if fans show a racist banner in the stadium, it’s unlikely they are persecuted in some way but nevertheless the club will be at least fined for several thousand pounds, if not forced to play in a empty stadium in the next match(es) and therefore to miss the match revenue).
That ransom meant that they were ‘paid’ to keep quiet and if they felt they weren’t paid enough, well, you know.
As I said the whole picture is rather complicated, Lotito for instance, the actual Lazio president, had received several threats by many of the Irriducibili’s leaders because he had been refusing to pay any money and he had, and I think still has, bodyguards protecting him. (see here the arrests i mentioned earlier)
The refusal to pay also meant more racist banners and attitudes by the Irriducibili on the stands to ‘punish’ the club.
Paolo Di Canio himself, who supposedly is a Lazio fan true and through, once his contract was not renewed because he came at odds with Lotito following the fascist salute, has always been a openly provocative critics of anything Lazio was doing, and you know what the words provocative next to DiCanio means
.
Anyway, we all have to work, haven’t we?
To be continued (some how, some time, some where)
