Matt Doherty

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You sound like a WUM now son. Telling me to “enjoy”. I think you must be the only person on the planet that rates Aurier, so I think I will take your Doherty opinion with a huge dollop of salt
I think Aurier is OK. I think Doherty is OK, they are top half WB/FBs. If both were competing for this spot this season I have no issue with this scenario.

There are however better FB's than both of them. Seeing as we have now spent our money on Doherty and if we are selling Aurier then we need to go after one of those better WB/FB than both of them.
 
Styles aside, just as a footballer in general Aurier has always looked a bit over his head in the Premier League, which Doherty has not.
He played for probably a better team last year Certainly, one with a better midfield and looked more stable and organised that had a set and defined identity unlike ours that's for sure. I mention this because I think you could say that about every single Wolves player and can apply your Aurier description to a big handful of Spurs players.
 
Even if you beleive the ridiculous notion that Aurier is better than Doherty defensively the problem with Aurier defensively is a much his attitude as his ability. Aurier would constantly shut off defensively, not willing to track back or trying to take short cuts that left acres of space open. People blamed it on the role that Jose wanted him to play, which may have been part of it, but a large part was Aurier was unwilling to track back a lot of the time and often when he did he would put in a lazy effort.

Doherty has zero questions about his motor or give a fuck meter. He will come back and put in an effort defensively. He won't look to take short cuts that often lead to good chances for the opposition and won't put in lazy challenges that often results in fouls, penalties or guys easily walking around him.
 
Even if you beleive the ridiculous notion that Aurier is better than Doherty defensively the problem with Aurier defensively is a much his attitude as his ability. Aurier would constantly shut off defensively, not willing to track back or trying to take short cuts that left acres of space open. People blamed it on the role that Jose wanted him to play, which may have been part of it, but a large part was Aurier was unwilling to track back a lot of the time and often when he did he would put in a lazy effort.

Doherty has zero questions about his motor or give a fuck meter. He will come back and put in an effort defensively. He won't look to take short cuts that often lead to good chances for the opposition and won't put in lazy challenges that often results in fouls, penalties or guys easily walking around him.
Seriously mate, just rewatch a couple of Wolves games. Doherty had very little responsibility on him to track back, he hardly ever did this.
 
I mention this because I think you could say that about every single Wolves player and can apply your Aurier description to a big handful of Spurs players.

That's a curious argument AGAINST bringing a Wolves player to Spurs.

Anyway, the thing we need most of all from that position is to be threatening to defenses in possession, which Doherty excels at and which Aurier was totally useless at.

Defenses were never more comfortable against us last year than when Aurier was carrying the ball forward down the flank.
 
Seriously mate, just rewatch a couple of Wolves games. Doherty had very little responsibility on him to track back, he hardly ever did this.

Hardly ever did it because it wasn't his responsibility or because he was too lazy?

I have watched Wolves, with us being so close to them in the table they were often a team I would pay attention to following what was happening in their games.

I never once noticed the same kind of laziness and brain dead plays that we constantly see with Aurier. I have concerns about him transitioning to a more traditional RB role, even if that is fully what we use, but effort and dumb plays are not a concern I have for him.
 
Hardly ever did it because it wasn't his responsibility or because he was too lazy?

I have watched Wolves, with us being so close to them in the table they were often a team I would pay attention to following what was happening in their games.

I never once noticed the same kind of laziness and brain dead plays that we constantly see with Aurier. I have concerns about him transitioning to a more traditional RB role, even if that is fully what we use, but effort and dumb plays are not a concern I have for him.
Doherty was played as an out and out WB, when he was in the attack and the play broke down he would for the majority of the time remain high up the pitch, I can only presume this was instruction. Wolves were very organised and would have his position covered to a degree.

As for Aurier a lot more was asked of him because he also had to defend. I'm a FB I'd much rather play the role that Doherty did for Wolves than the role asked of Aurier, just as I'd rather play the role asked of Davies, a piece of piss in comparison.
 
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Enjoy.

Not having a dig, but if you need to resort to stats of xA or successful pressures to prove a point, perhaps you need to spend more time watching games and less time reading The Athletic.

It's these sorts of contrarian hipster douchebag stats which saw the Footballer Writers Association give their player of the season award to Jordan Fucking Henderson.

Jose himself said he is scared of Serge giving away a pen. I don't think he is all that bad tbh but Doc is a clear upgrade. COYS!
 
Even if you beleive the ridiculous notion that Aurier is better than Doherty defensively the problem with Aurier defensively is a much his attitude as his ability. Aurier would constantly shut off defensively, not willing to track back or trying to take short cuts that left acres of space open. People blamed it on the role that Jose wanted him to play, which may have been part of it, but a large part was Aurier was unwilling to track back a lot of the time and often when he did he would put in a lazy effort.

Doherty has zero questions about his motor or give a fuck meter. He will come back and put in an effort defensively. He won't look to take short cuts that often lead to good chances for the opposition and won't put in lazy challenges that often results in fouls, penalties or guys easily walking around him.
Yep, totally agree. The difference is we'll be watching this guy with a sense of anticipation and excitement instead of concern and worry that another fuck up is imminent. Doherty will instill confidence, Aurier doesn't.
 
Doherty was played as an out and out WB, when he was in the attack and the play broke down he would for the majority of the time remain high up the pitch, I can only presume this was instruction. Wolves were very organised and would have his position covered to a degree.

As for Aurier a lot more was asked of him because he also had to defend. I'm a FB I'd much rather play the role that Doherty did for Wolves than the role asked of Aurier, just as I'd rather play the role asked of Davies, a piece of piss in comparison.

I agree that Aurier had more defensive responsibilities that Doherty but that doesn't excuse a lot of the mistakes that i saw from Aurier that were largely mental.

Some examples- often jumping too early while balls went over his head rather than tracking back, likewise diving trying to stop balls rather than tracking back, drifting inside taking men that were already covered leaving his area wide open or his man wide open, watching the ball inside while his man ran into the area behind him. These kind of mental mistakes were not due to him having a different role than Doherty they are due to him often lacking focus and too often "turning off" for lack of better term. I think that same mentality often had him making dumb mistakes like giving away needless corners, clearing balls right to the opposition and passes to nobody.

I never question Aurier physical abilities those are undeniable but too often he loses focus which leads to quality chances for the opposition, I have not seen those same mistakes from Doherty. That mentality also often leads to him making rash challenges instead of reacting rationally when beat.
 
Not having a dig, but if you need to resort to stats of xA or successful pressures to prove a point, perhaps you need to spend more time watching games and less time reading The Athletic.
Alternatively one could watch a new player very closely in the next few months and form an opinion. Some people will tell us 100 times in the next 2 weeks what his strengths and weaknesses are and will only see what they want to see once he is actually playing football matches for us.
 
Not having a dig, but if you need to resort to stats of xA or successful pressures to prove a point, perhaps you need to spend more time watching games and less time reading The Athletic.

It's these sorts of contrarian hipster douchebag stats which saw the Footballer Writers Association give their player of the season award to Jordan Fucking Henderson.

When statistical analytics took over baseball, the thing they had going for them, and what grounded the whole enterprise, was a very thorough understanding of what they were looking for. Baseball is a game of discrete outcomes repeated a bunch of times, and is at a basic level just a contest of producing the most runs you can given a limited number of outs.

With the exception of Expected Goals, which at the team level is answering a very obvious and critical question (how many and how good of opportunities is this team getting/giving up? How much is poor finishing or just poor luck playing a role in results?), I don't have a sense of the same sort of groundedness in football statistics.

These ubiquitous circle wedge charts give us a great deal of interesting information, but I don't know how far it goes toward telling us how much a player helps a team win.
 
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