American hyperbole....
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Manager Mauricio Pochettino
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Where's the disagree button gone?
So what about Lo Celso, Bergwijn, Sanchez, Aurier, Sess, and Foyth?
After Poch was named manager we signed a lot of shit footballers. It's hard to remember signing a good one that he did sign. In fact, looking back at the list - he never did sign a good one.
Far as I am aware Ndombele and Lo Celso were the only ones he really pushed for after we failed to agree on his first choice ones De Jong and Bruno Fernandes. The rest I assume were Hitchin or club signings.
The ultimate oxymoron.
Hitchens & Poch weren't data miners... don't be absurd.
Poch believes in the mystic power of lemons FFS....... And Hitchens was one.
How is it oxymoron when I said you can have all the positive data about a player and it can still go wrong?The ultimate oxymoron.
As for Ndombele, what we heard was that he was lazy early in his career (was it Guingamp that released him?), but then he put his career back on track at Lyon. I don’t see where I contradicted myself.
"solid proof that maybe"
Examine the word "proof"; then consider the extra gravitas implied by the word "solid" and go from there.
(As for me citing the word "data" - that was part of my comment about Poch & Hitchens.... See below.)
You talk about "data"; yet that's completely rhetorical (and against the grain of our perceived lack of data-led scouting at the time).... I'd be willing to bet like most fans Poch & Hitchens were just seduced by his performance against City in the CL (like most fans were).
Don't you find all this a bit tedious anyway........ On another day you'll probably just complain that Ndombele was a "Levy punt" and that Poch didn't even want him.
That won't stop the hot-takey morons spouting their moronic nonsense. No matter what you tell them they'll just repeat the same nonsense a couple months later. It's like they get paid to be stupid...ain't that right
MemphisWill
? ...perhaps because DL always had final say...being made manager only allowed him a spot on the xfer committe, 1 in 5 voices followed by DL ultimately deciding what could be done finanacially (read: picking who he wanted to begin with)...which you've been shown/told a thousand times.
And as if we didn't sign shit footballers beforehand. In fact, every single one that 'came good' during Poch's years was seen as shit by a conservative 40% of the supporters at the time Poch got here...maybe even more!
What actually does one get by repeating this nonsense instead of the truth? Low fucking character, man!
You may say that but they got to the last 16 of the last World Cup and drew 0-0 with us , and deserved to win.
Drawing with us in a group stage match we didn’t need to win which was their cup final isn’t some flex.
We also drew to Slovenia in the Euros. Or was it Slovakia? Anyway, we drew to lots of crap teams under Safegate.
Their star is Pulisic. And the Lebron of ‘soccer’ he ain’t.
Agree- the USA job is a death sentence. Poch won’t be coaching in a top league after this unless he gets out of there before anyone is able to realize he’s not a great coach for this type of scenario.
That won't stop the hot-takey morons spouting their moronic nonsense. No matter what you tell them they'll just repeat the same nonsense a couple months later. It's like they get paid to be stupid...ain't that right
...perhaps because DL always had final say...being made manager only allowed him a spot on the xfer committe, 1 in 5 voices followed by DL ultimately deciding what could be done finanacially (read: picking who he wanted to begin with)...which you've been shown/told a thousand times.
And as if we didn't sign shit footballers beforehand. In fact, every single one that 'came good' during Poch's years was seen as shit by a conservative 40% of the supporters at the time Poch got here...maybe even more!
What actually does one get by repeating this nonsense instead of the truth? Low fucking character, man!
Fair points, but as has also been pointed out, it was Poch who made the power play to not have another DOF/HOR guy like Mitchell brought in over his head to recruit.
And his say within that 5 was definitely going to be more than 1/5th influence in terms of player. It’s not like Levy scouted the players, he just influenced the value factor (heavily no doubt) and it’s not like McDermott would have much influence over first team signings or that Hitchin’s input was going to be like Edwards at Liverpool or Mitchell previously.
IMO it was a dumb move by Poch to want it, a fucking dumb move by Levy to go along with it and it resulted in some absolute garbage recruitment which Poch is not blameless in.
Prior to this, whatever the weaknesses in the structure, the recruitment had been relatively successful (relative to the other teams and situation at the time). Players who although flawed or divided opinion sometimes (including me) but who enabled us and Poch to compete within the circumstances (ie no ManC, Newc, Woolwich on the downward, Liverpool pre Klopp etc etc) - Lloris, Vert, Alderweireld, Walker, Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Dier, Son. Ali, Lamela, Rose, Trippier….with the academy providing Kane.
Levy was still in the process for those signings. (As he was for the signing of Bale, Modric) but Virtually no players of that calibre were signed once the structure was dissolved in the following “committee” phase.
We will never be able to divi up blame for the recruitment clusterfuck we became precisely amongst the committee, but Poch is in that equation.
didn't read...surely some of the same rehashed bad faith BS you always do just like the rest. Don't really know what you folks have tied up in it to keep going...is it engagement/internet culture nonsense? You know "oh look I got someone to bite"? I mean, wouldn't it be better to take a position that has the benefit of being true...AND you actually believe? I do it all the time...it's pretty easy!