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Manager Nuno Espírito Santo
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Well we know Naggelsman, Flick, Lopetegui all turned us down.
We can argue all we want about who rejected us and who we rejected (seems we rejected far superior managers to the one we chose, how weird is that...)
The fact is this. Someone argued that it was an outrage that Sky reported Nuno was our 5th choice when very clearly he wasn't, I doubt he was in the top 12.
And are we the only team to chose a manger, offer them the job and then reject them before they sign the contract. Does this happen much?
They probably weren't prepared to work under the conditions being proposed. Wether that be transfer budget, lack of assurances over player sales, bringing in their own team etc..
Of course you could interpret that as THFC deciding not to proceed due to the candidate not succumbing to the demands of the job.. Or you could interpret it as the candidate walking away because of the demands.
He is here now lads and its the biggest job he has had. He may shock us and do well. If he don't, I hope between him and Parasitei they clear away all the old Pochettino yokes so he can start fresh in 18 months when he returns.
Probably just doing what the boss of the conpany told him eg Mendes
Not a slur on Nuno here but I just watched his interview on Spurs TV and sentences confirmed beyond all doubt why he's here and none of the big names are.
"We have a talented squad here and I know we have talent in the academy if we need to bring them through"
Which roughly translates to "I know that I'm not getting any money, I know I have to work with what I have and worst case, there's some 16 year olds to make uk the numbers"
This exactly what I expected from Levy. A yes man.
"We have a talented squad here and I know we have talent in the academy if we need to bring them through"
Which roughly translates to "I know that I'm not getting any money, I know I have to work with what I have and worst case, there's some 16 year olds to make uk the numbers"
This exactly what I expected from Levy. A yes man.
I am sure we never offered Nagelsmann and Flick the job. Hence they didn't turn us down.
Both had already accepted new jobs by the end of April; but that doesn't suit the narrative.
Well. he's at least good enough to not get us relegated.
Right?
Right?
Had to sign up to counter some of the statements you are making on here. Everything you've posted has been with a negative slant. Completely glossing over all the fantastic work Nuno did for 3-4 years.
For example, he turned Coady, a plodding Championship midfielder into a Premier League defender and England international. He can probably transform Dier into a world-beater.
Jota might have been streaky but he scored 44 goals in 133 appearances at Wolves, basically 1 in 3. You make it sound like he hardly played.
Few positives for Spurs fans. Nuno's record against Woolwich Won 3, Drew 2, Lost 1. Chelsea Won 3, Drew 2, Lost 1.
He'll have a system in place in no time and you won't be pushovers against any of the top six.
Good luck next season anyway. I'm looking forward to seeing how Nuno gets on
You've got the record Vs Chelsea wrong.
W2 ( 5/12/18, 15/12/20) D2(10/3/19, 27/1/21), L2 (14/9/19, 26/7/20)
GF:7 GA:10
In terms of turning Coady from a plodding championship midfielder into a premier league class defender, you're kind of right, he was used as a RB (ahead of Doherty, which tells you another story) in the championship for us.
But I'd hardly call him a premier league quality defender, Nuno has taken very limited players and got the very best out of them (Coady, Doherty).
Defensive wise, Coady can only play in a 3, realistically. He's too slow on the turn and not strong enough in the tackle that he gets dominated by physical strikers all too easily. (Mitrovic, Abraham, Wood, Giroud all scoring plenty of goals against him) so he requires the extra men either side to offer protection.
What Nuno did see, was a slow midfielder with an extraordinary passing range and natural charisma, and created a position in the squad that gets the very best out of those attributes (communication, captain, sweeper) whilst negating the deficiencies (extra men either side to deal with headers and provide defensive cover).
Do spurs have room in their squad for players who need positions created for them to mask their deficiencies? Probably not, at the top end of competitive sport you can have zero room for hangers on or other players carrying the burden.
Jota:
This is the problem with statistics, you can cherry pick the best ones to suit the narrative. My post was actually in defense of Nuno, as we are in agreement that the sale was made at the right time.
Let's look at the stats as to why I say he's wildly inconsistent:
Jota, Europa League (proper, not qualifying):
Played 8, 6 goals. Brilliant, 0.75 goals a game.
Except he played 8 games and scored in 2 of them.
Which meant for 3/4 of the games he had zero impact as a striker.
Can you afford to have a striker that fires blanks for 28 games a season?
Obviously the Europa League stats were cherry picked to prove my point, but even if you take the premier league stats, 67 games, 16 goals or 1 in 4, he actually only scored in 12 premier league games over 2 seasons.
Nuno had lost faith in him, it's why he didn't start Vs Olympiakos or Sevilla in the knockout stages. This isn't a matter of opinion, it is a fact.
Nuno was correct to sell him, he doesn't perform consistently for the level wolves expected.
Will spurs be pushovers Vs the top 6? I don't know. I know that teams will not be gung ho Vs spurs, as they often were Vs wolves and there will be less opportunity to exploit the counter. The general pattern of Nuno's tenure is an inability to break down teams that sit back and defend, which he will face more often now he's at a club with world class players and a desire to compete at the top level.
For differing reasons I didn't want any of those managers. Conte was the only one I really would have liked despite the fact it would have obviously ended in tears very quickly.
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Says the man who thinks there was no agreement in place with Mourinho before Poch was sacked.
What's more likely is they refused to work with our shit players so Levy found someone who would
I really fancied ETH (but I accept risks involved around no pl experience and the ajax 'bubble). Conte would've been great from a 'big name 'perspective but I have a feeling it would have gone the Mourinho route.
Fonseca, I didn't initially want, but I liked the sound of the attacking football and feel it would've been entertaining at least.
Gattuso = Bleurgh. No thanks.
Potter, I started out not wanting, but given the way our search was going, I would've happily taken him a couple of weeks ago.
Yeah I was pretty much the same except on Fonseca who I wasn't keen. Just sounded like one of those that would have bombed. I'll add in I'm unconvinced Gerrard would have been the correct appointment either.
To all you Spurs fans, relax, trust this man and his back room staff because they will put their heart and soul into turning your club into a team that will play as one, fight for every ball and never play with fear.
Yes I'm a Wolves fan but let me tell you something, you will all be singing his name and thanking your lucky stars in 3 months time. He will lead with honesty and hard work and an inclusiveness that creates a togetherness that makes football so magic.
You and your players will love him if you can leave your big time Charlie attitudes at home .He will improve your own players and bring players in that will improve your team, with or without Kane. I would have him back in a heartbeat, but he is Spurs now and I wish him and all you Spurs fans all the very best until you play us.
Yes I'm a Wolves fan but let me tell you something, you will all be singing his name and thanking your lucky stars in 3 months time. He will lead with honesty and hard work and an inclusiveness that creates a togetherness that makes football so magic.
You and your players will love him if you can leave your big time Charlie attitudes at home .He will improve your own players and bring players in that will improve your team, with or without Kane. I would have him back in a heartbeat, but he is Spurs now and I wish him and all you Spurs fans all the very best until you play us.