Cos it's not a concensus.
You know that's a contradiction; right?
I have? Show me........
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Player Rodrigo Bentancur
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Cos it's not a concensus.
You know that's a contradiction; right?
I have? Show me........
Oh they said it. And I agree on Bentancur. I'm just not sure post ACL he is getting back to what he'd been though. It's an area I'd like to see us push the boat out. Vital to the system. I also recall that Doherty purple patch...blimey he had some of the same folk utterly convinced he was Cafu!!
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No Airfix...no overt comparisons made.
'Biss: In prime form; we briefly saw a player that could be compared to the dominant nature of Dembele.
Bentancur: On best form isn't as dominant, but is much better with the ball.'
Interpretation: While facts are indisputable, they are subject to interpretation. Interpretation does not alter what a fact means (it is either raining outside, or it is not), but interpretation places the fact in a context and attempts to explain its significance.
I'm supprised you find that one a challenge, how ever contradictory. You been living under rock?
Cos it's not a concensus.
A consensus is a general ( note the word general) agreement. You don't think there's a general agreement regards this? Yeah I say you are wrong.
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Likening a handfull of performances in NATURE to another player is not OVERT comparison... Leave it out.
You implied (more than once now) that I claimed Biss was better than Dembele. That's BS.
"You been living under rock?"
.....I've no idea what you're even talking about.
...And none of this changes the fact that you were conflating differing opinions to be a contradictory consensus and deriding it as such.
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Youre having a mare, of course what you have done is an overt comparisons lol. This just denial. We live in an age of just this kind of arguments around the interpretation of all kinds of facts. I had you marked as more switched on to this( my mistake) hence asking sarcastically if you have been living under a rock, a common axiom. And on the consensus yeah that's wrong too. And I didn't imply anything? I asked you if you were one of the people who made this claim. You're answers seem frankly irrational let's agree to differ.
Perhaps you should just counter-argue any comparison you disagree ('overt' or otherwise) with rather than tossing around a word salad (and your usual backhanded "i thought you were smarter than this" crap).
I've countered every half-assed utterance you think is a coherent argument. In fact I have given them way more respect than they deserve. Do me a favour, if you're in a mood to get slapped around find another poster, its boring. You certainly are not smart enough to cash some of the cheques you are writing. So move on.
Still nothing remotely football related.
You're not the intellect you think you are, fella.
I disagree. I think he is a consistent player. I think those first bunch of games last season have created a myth in people’s eyes - when what actually changed was our collective performances due to a number of factors - opposition tactics being one, out tactics another, no Maddison looking for the ball for two months, a bunch of other key injuries etc.
I don’t think the basic things he does well ever went away.
Agree.
The red cards are what changed peoples opinions on Biss. Even when he came back after Malaria/AFCON, imo he had as many good games as bad ones. And by bad games I mean not tracking a runner for a go
Thing with Biss is that the basics of his game go unnoticed if he’s not breaking pressure by carrying the ball. When he does carry the ball and break the press he gives us such a huge advantage as well as the basics of his game
I'm not averse to considering surrounding factors; but I still think the degree that he asserts himself and his focus levels both fluctuate enough that he's not merely the same guy doing the same shit just in a different predicament.
I don't think I'm an intellect. I think you are being silly and embarrassing yourself. And no 'fella' I don't want any kind of discussion with you on any subject, when you're in this frame of mind. Again politely move on from me.
Brilliant. Players form doesn't exist in some kind of void. It's hugely dependent on what is happening around them. I will endeavour to remind myself of this when I'm down on any given individual. I think you are so right, the narrative around Bissouma was set without ever the context of the teams general disfunction. People understand fitness and that recovering it and form takes time but overlook often the broader tactical profile: opposition, and your teammates form.
Can I ask you what you make of Pape Sarr's form? I think he seems very tied to Yves Bissouma plays his best football with him and seems inhibited and diminished in his absence. Do you think this is a fair assessment? He is still young and developing and do believe he has a brilliant future.
No, I think Bissuoma on form is much better than pre ACL Bentancour. More press resistant, better protector of the defense, better at stopping up attacks, as good with the ball. I prefer Bissouma as #6, but Bentacour is ok. Wouldn't mind if we sell him next summer when Johnny Cardoso arrives.
My thoughts on Sarr are on record in his thread, to show this isn’t just a “now” opinion, but I was never as impressed with him as others. Good engine, great attitude, ok at some stuff, not special at anything, good squad player but not really outstanding 6 or 8. He’s young so there’s a bit of scope there, but very upgradable imo.
Yea, look.
I don't care what used to be.
Wanyama used to be a tank for us prior injuries.
I'd rather focus on now. But ofc would be good if Bentancur would raise back to his old levels.
That is massive revisionism.
Bentancur upon his arrival was massively overhyped because he came in to midfield that consisted of Skippy and PEH.
Yes, he can play with tenacity AND pitched in with goals too. But in terms of building up the game, he had massive gaps in his play. Neither of our CMs had close control to keep possession in tight areas and neither could really turn with the ball and change the direction quickly. That is something that Bissouma can do. And while he can be (and is) patchy, in this deep #6 role Benta has never been as good as first-season-first-7-rounds-Bissouma.
Feel like he’s already been upgraded as a starter and is now a decent squad player
Watch him have a couple of blinding performances and then him get banned for an inordinate amount of games. I still don’t get how the Chelsea player gets away with no ban and he is going to get one for pretty much the same offence. I can only guess it’s because one is us and one is them.