Exactly.
And we must be the only club in football where the manager gets blamed for lack of investment and lack of signigs.
Ludicrous.
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And we must be the only club in football where the manager gets blamed for lack of investment and lack of signigs.
Ludicrous.
Add to that looking down our noses morally at other clubs. Hand me a sick bag.
And the clubs biggest failure in the last 50 was that poch never won anything. He can cry all he wants at investment but the team he had was more than capable of winning silverware.
I don’t think Poch has cried about anything. I’m pretty sure he understands the whole thing about us not having a bottomless pit of cash.
Can’t say the same for some of the specials on here though.
So I keep hearing.
By all reports, Poch.
People blaming one aspect of the operation are missing the point. Liverpool, Leicester, City have total coordination between chairman, manager, scouting, analytics, youth academy, etc..
To blame one aspect is naive and biased.
My heart bleeds with the salary he was on but you’re probably right which goes to show his lack of professionalism
You don’t ‘give up’ in a position like that
He’s gone, move on...
Throw away sound bite .... you forget he coached saints then moved on... which manager doesn’t move , or get moved on....
Sure everyone moves on. But no one talks about leaving if they win the next match. Thats unheard of.
Pretty crazy how we were only starting 3 attackers in the height of our pomp.
Teams couldn’t get out of their own half against that back 8
There was one good season 2016/17, posted 86 points. In 2015/16 when we finished 3rd in a 2 horse race, we posted 70 points. AVB posted 72 points in 2012/13.
How many times do you keep pushing the boulder up the hill then? You can keep trying but if conditions and circumstances are the same then you are going to get the same result. And how does one stay motivated being allowed to smell glory but having to digest failure?
This lot of players is who he took to the CL final. This lot of players was this close to the PL title. This painfully average lot that we are seeing now was greater than the sum of its part just 4 years ago and the work has been squandered by underinvesting when the time was right to push on.
How long would you continue to do the same thing and expect a different result? And how fair would you feel it was to be described as having 'gave up' when you poured out your blood, sweat, and tears for a club and its supporters only to be cast aside at the first bit of difficulty...a bit of difficulty that you were trying to avoid by pushing for the 'painful rebuild' that you were clearly promised.
This could have all been avoided if we signed Rondon. Just saying.
Folks on the internet will do all types of mental gymnastics to avoid saying they were wrong even when the evidence can be so quickly searched.
Exhibit A:
You mean the same training methods that took these cloggers close to the PL and CL. You mean training them to press like animals in order to level the technical and financial disparity? You mean the training methods that were started 5+ seasons ago that were so demanding yet no real additions were made to the squad to compensate ie quality additions for proper rotation.
Exhibit B (really sinking his teeth into it here):
Were you complaining about 'overtraining' in the years previous? Would you be interested in Hasenhuttl, Nagelsmann, Rangnick, Klopp, etc or any other pressing manager? Or are you firmly entrenched with the 'bus' now? How's the reactive footie treating you?
You could just admit it's the players and we could be done with it. That is unless you think they are covering themselves in glory now that they are playing under a manager that you desired. It's all there to be seen.
Brilliant post. Poch was attached to some that should have been moved on. And they are still here stinking the joint out. So many players have been able to become comfortable.
Were the team really 'that good' or were other teams poor. I think Poch benefited from a purple patch where the other teams were rebuilding. We hit our prime; whilst overs were declining.
City, Pool, Chelsea, Woolwich and United all had a period of rebuild. We now see a much stronger City/Liverpool and United team. Chelsea and Woolwich are getting better and we have the likes of Leicester and Wolves looking to make significant progress.
Everyone got better, we stood still. No change in personnel, no change in tactics and replacing key players (Walker/Wanyama/Dembele) with inferior players.
Over the next 3 seasons, we will likely see Liverpool and City have a couple of 'poor seasons' (maybe this is it for City) and have to replace key players. Meanwhile; Chelsea and United (maybe Woolwich) will emerge as the dominant force. Where Spurs fit into this is unclear.
Would he have chosen those players if he had real choice? Of course not. Did he want Mane? Was Mane at the training ground? Would he have chosen Nkoudou over Mane? Or was Nkoudou an opportunistic buy because OM were in a state?
You're starving and I place a plate with a turd and one with some disagreeable foodstuff in front of you. Which do you eat? Am I then allowed to go around saying Totti likes that disagreeable foodstuff because he chose it? No, that would be foolish because your choices were constrained right? Attempting to pick the least smelly turd doesn't mean you like shit.
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Impressive, there should be more wisdom such as this gem.
I try my best.