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This is drivel. I'm sorry but its just word salad. "We are a disliked club" LOL I love us. All clubs are disliked. We are no more reviled than any other team. We last won a trophy what 12 years ago...when did West ham, when did Villa. DNA is biological it is in a sporting context utter guff.

We had a coach who placed littel to no value in winning the FA Cup and League Cup he said so himself. He cared about the championship league, got to a final, cared about the league finished second and third in a five and a bit year tenure. We now have a coach that values them we are in a final. What your doing is conflating a lazy narrative around the club with fact it isn't its just what lazy journalists and dim fans say.
Most teams win nothing, hate to break it to you, that's not the prime reason to support a team. As someone pointed out there's no riddle you just missed the correct question. The correlation is MONEY. Budgets are the biggest determinant of winning silverware. Stop getting sucked into Qanon style thinking there's no mystery conspiracy curse just cash. Worse we are becoming Woolwich fans where is this weird entitlement come from? Must be younger fans. We were good early eighties and shit for the following decade, Jol Harry Poch dragged us to the top table. We have zero divine right to win anything!
 
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Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Spot on. And Wigan were bankrolled by a very rich man for whom winning the FA was a priority. I think its modern fans. They keep shouting about Spursy and bottling it. As you Stats prove everyone out side the top moneyed clubs bottle it.As a very young kid in the 80s there was no nonsense about Spursy we won things regularly. Its like the pre Premier league era dont count. Hate to break it to them we are over hundred years old there's no guarantee in their life time we will win stuff. That's not how it works.
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Unfortunately modern fans are driven by modern media and the relentless narrative. Before Poch, there was no constant talk about us not winning a trophy. Once we started to improve and finish higher in the table, someone at Sky said "yeah but, they haven't won anything", and that has stuck for the last few years, everything now seems to revolve around the fact we haven't won a trophy. Visit the shithole that is the Spurs Facebook page and there will be a few dozen comments about us not winning a trophy from trolls. Some of whom seem to genuinely believe we have never won a trophy because they just mindlessly repeat what they have heard. This is then fed back to us from our own fans that we need to win a trophy. For most fans a cup win would be great because we won a cup, for the social media influenced fans, it would be great because they can then win Twitter.

Should we actually win the league cup this season, many will celebrate, many more will bemoan that we didn't win the league and that's what counts because they can't laud a league cup win over other fans on social media. Between the instant gratification needs of the modern fan and the sense of entitlement (see: going full Karen) that comes with the 'customer experience', there is born the idea that we should win something, as long gone is the notion of just supporting the team and acknowledging that we could win something.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Spot on. And Wigan were bankrolled by a very rich man for whom winning the FA was a priority. I think its modern fans. They keep shouting about Spursy and bottling it. As you Stats prove everyone out side the top moneyed clubs bottle it.As a very young kid in the 80s there was no nonsense about Spursy we won things regularly. Its like the pre Premier league era dont count. Hate to break it to them we are over hundred years old there's no guarantee in their life time we will win stuff. That's not how it works.
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I was 15 when we won the cup in 81..I’m lucky compared to the youngsters who have seen as win fuck all! Like a lot of others on here I was spoiled but if we win the league cup this year I will celebrate like a fucking mad man! I’m 55 now + will appreciate it a lot more!! Fucking TTID!
 
NikM79 said:
A very good point - if you look at the facts, Leicester are the only team outside of City, Utd, Liverpool, Chavs and Woolwich to win a domestic trophy since 2013... and that was a once in a generation type event.

That's one team outside those traditional "big" rich clubs that has won a trophy out of a possible 21 available.

In the few years before then I remember Wigan winning an FA cup and Swansea a Carabao cup in 2012 I think.

Suggests quite clearly that the chances of winning trophies is almost non existent nowadays outside of an elite few clubs with the resources to maintain their dominance.
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Spot on. And Wigan were bankrolled by a very rich man for whom winning the FA was a priority. I think its modern fans. They keep shouting about Spursy and bottling it. As you Stats prove everyone out side the top moneyed clubs bottle it.As a very young kid in the 80s there was no nonsense about Spursy we won things regularly. Its like the pre Premier league era dont count. Hate to break it to them we are over hundred years old there's no guarantee in their life time we will win stuff. That's not how it works.
 
You do not lose or win because of DNA, bad mojo or interventions of dieties. Luck may be a factor that may turn a good run to a title (with luck we could have won CL), but to perform at a level needed to consistently challenge for titles you need a fantastic combination of players, manager, staff and backing. We had a manager, staff and players that for a while got very close to great success despite the fact that other squads were, on paper, better. We didn't quite reach the perfection needed, partly because of some reluctance on the owners part, but mostly because we simply lack the resources of our competition.

Right now, though, we do not stand a chance because we can't hold on to a lead with our shit, defensive football.
 
I'll put it down to Spursy if we fail to win something this season. And I dislike that word immensely.

Jose Mourinho has won a trophy in his first full season at every club he's ever managed. If he doesn't win something in his first full season at Spurs (despite now being in a cup final), then it's probably not him that's the issue.

Especially when you factor in that we've been to plenty of semi finals over the last decade and choked in pretty much every one of them despite going up against teams we've routinely beat in the league months or even weeks prior.
 
MKYid said:
Unfortunately modern fans are driven by modern media and the relentless narrative. Before Poch, there was no constant talk about us not winning a trophy. Once we started to improve and finish higher in the table, someone at Sky said "yeah but, they haven't won anything", and that has stuck for the last few years, everything now seems to revolve around the fact we haven't won a trophy. Visit the shithole that is the Spurs Facebook page and there will be a few dozen comments about us not winning a trophy from trolls. Some of whom seem to genuinely believe we have never won a trophy because they just mindlessly repeat what they have heard. This is then fed back to us from our own fans that we need to win a trophy. For most fans a cup win would be great because we won a cup, for the social media influenced fans, it would be great because they can then win Twitter.

Should we actually win the league cup this season, many will celebrate, many more will bemoan that we didn't win the league and that's what counts because they can't laud a league cup win over other fans on social media. Between the instant gratification needs of the modern fan and the sense of entitlement (see: going full Karen) that comes with the 'customer experience', there is born the idea that we should win something, as long gone is the notion of just supporting the team and acknowledging that we could win something.
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You have explained this phenomenon and where it comes from so much more articulately then I did. Your 100% right.
 
Maybe our stadium is facing the wrong way and it's not feng shui.

Maybe someone at the club upset a witch doctor.

Maybe the curse at the club is psychologically having an effect on players & staff which makes them subconsciously give off negative vibes to other players and staff thus resulting in an endless cycle.

Maybe it's a conspiracy and Spurs are seen as a Jewish club who simply cannot win. Because the FA and FIFA are controlled by hamas.


Or just maybe it could be the lack of investment relative to rivals combined with club goals due to the bald stingy fuck. I mean fcuk*.
 
AberdeenYid said:
How many points off top?
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Based on our statistics, isn't that more based on other teams just being a bit shit compared to last season?

I do agree though. I'd have taken 6 points off top after 17 games if you offered me it.

We are 4 points better off than last season - but you don't need me to remind you that last season was so woeful we sacked our best manager in 30 years
 
AberdeenYid said:
I think the fact nobody is finding it easy this season gives us a bit of a reason to not be as far ahead from last season as we wanted to be. I would say being closer in points to top is more important than being closer in position, but aware this could descend into “is 3rd on 70 points better than 4th on 73 points” territory.
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Can't agree or disagree with that, it's been a strange season that's for sure and we can only fully assess with the required context as it progresses. Perhaps even at the end of it (assuming that it's not shut down) that maybe that's not even possible to explain away and best forgotten by all apart from the eventual winners.

But no matter how I attempt to make sense of it I'm said to say I hate watching us play, it's simply awful. 14 months down the line, with his players, his strategy, his philosophy you can count the good games under him on one hand. I see zero progress.
 
The Leicester hatred of us is a myth in my experience. I know a fair few Leicester,and there's no real hate there. I think some on here base it on a few pricks that posted on their forum and came on here.
Not been unusual for some of theirs drink with some our as well.
We are bitterly hated by Woolwich,West ham ,Chelsea and from a couple of years back Celtic.
Good. Detest them all and don't want to be liked by any of them.
 
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We've lost 8 FA Cup semi finals in a row. There's something in the soul of the club that makes us soft, the only way to change it is to win something. We haven't won the league since 1961 for god's sake.

There have been lots of issues with the football this season but we are in the first final of the season and in a competitive position in 3 other competitions. This can still be a very successful season for us if we make a few small changes.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Most teams win nothing, hate to break it to you, that's not the prime reason to support a team. As someone pointed out there's no riddle you just missed the correct question. The correlation is MONEY. Budgets are the biggest determinant of winning silverware.
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A very good point - if you look at the facts, Leicester are the only team outside of City, Utd, Liverpool, Chavs and Woolwich to win a domestic trophy since 2013... and that was a once in a generation type event.

That's one team outside those traditional "big" rich clubs that has won a trophy out of a possible 21 available.

In the few years before then I remember Wigan winning an FA cup and Swansea a Carabao cup in 2012 I think.

Suggests quite clearly that the chances of winning trophies is almost non existent nowadays outside of an elite few clubs with the resources to maintain their dominance.
 
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