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Transfers Summer 2019 transfer thread

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But now you are saying some are worried about overspending. So that = worrying about the buisness side & how much we spend. So are you now admitting some worry about the business side & how much we spend.
you are worried about not spending enough - so that is worrying about business sid e - why do you want us to go bankrupt (easy this isn't it).

I will make this easy for you - No one cares how much we spend as long as the club can afford it, that may be 50M or 200M no one care how much just that it wont make us bankrupt or have negative consequences in the future.

Its the same tune you are either incapable or unwilling to understand.
 
So basically, let me just clarify this, we are good enough to win a trophy but if we fail to win a trophy then nobody is to blame for us failing to win one? That makes no logical sense whatsoever.

You say 4-5 teams are good enough and yet, we aren't seeing 4-5 teams winning trophies are we? Not even in rotation.

We are seeing the same teams repeatedly winning trophies (minus the Leicester season) so there seems to be a pretty predictable pattern as to who will win a trophy and we aren't part of that pattern which would indicate we aren't good enough with our current squad, unless of course you think it's the manager underachieving? Which to me seems ludicrous considering he hasn't signed a player in 18 months.

It sounds to me like, no offense, you are just happy, regardless of what happens and you're willing to accept any outcome because the very idea of criticising the owners makes you uncomfortable and you would rather just accept what you are given than to challenge it because we are in a comfortable position currently.

There is ALWAYS someone to blame, it's the reason people get hired and fired.

I think it's absurd to believe we are getting "closer and closer" when that simply isn't the truth, Man City and the clubs above us could go out tomorrow and blow us away in the market, any rich billionaire could buy a club in this league tomorrow and take our place in the top 4, you see this long term model of "doing things the right way" as something that will pay off in the end, I see that as unhealthy optimism in a modern game that, more often than not, rewards the richest clubs who pay the most for players in terms of wages and fees.

I admire you optimism I really do but the reality speaks for itself, we won't win a major trophy (unless we get Leicester lucky) under our current model.
He is a good loyal supporter but he is happy if we spend nothing, lots or somewhere in the middle. No real opinion of his own. Basically the club knows best. If it doesn't work out then he will admit the club didn't know best after all but obviously it's too late then.
 
How many of these do you think were positive signings?

1. Paul Pogba - £93.25m
2. Romelu Lukaku - £75m
2. Virgil van Dijk - £75m

4. Alvaro Morata - £70m
5. Alisson Becker - £67m
6. Fred - £61.2m
7. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang - £60m
7. Riyad Mahrez - £60m
9. Angel Di Maria – £59.7m

10. Aymeric Laporte - £57m


www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/11443139/top-10-most-expensive-premier-league-transfers-of-all-time
How many of those signings were worth the money??
 
So basically, let me just clarify this, we are good enough to win a trophy but if we fail to win a trophy then nobody is to blame for us failing to win one? That makes no logical sense whatsoever.

You say 4-5 teams are good enough and yet, we aren't seeing 4-5 teams winning trophies are we? Not even in rotation.

We are seeing the same teams repeatedly winning trophies (minus the Leicester season) so there seems to be a pretty predictable pattern as to who will win a trophy and we aren't part of that pattern which would indicate we aren't good enough with our current squad, unless of course you think it's the manager underachieving? Which to me seems ludicrous considering he hasn't signed a player in 18 months.

It sounds to me like, no offense, you are just happy, regardless of what happens and you're willing to accept any outcome because the very idea of criticising the owners makes you uncomfortable and you would rather just accept what you are given than to challenge it because we are in a comfortable position currently.

There is ALWAYS someone to blame, it's the reason people get hired and fired.

I think it's absurd to believe we are getting "closer and closer" when that simply isn't the truth, Man City and the clubs above us could go out tomorrow and blow us away in the market, any rich billionaire could buy a club in this league tomorrow and take our place in the top 4, you see this long term model of "doing things the right way" as something that will pay off in the end, I see that as unhealthy optimism in a modern game that, more often than not, rewards the richest clubs who pay the most for players in terms of wages and fees.

I admire you optimism I really do but the reality speaks for itself, we won't win a major trophy (unless we get Leicester lucky) under our current model.

Let's assume we stay with the recent financial model... What next for you?

Protests?
Matchday boycotts?
[insert other}?
 
you are worried about not spending enough - so that is worrying about business sid e - why do you want us to go bankrupt (easy this isn't it).

I will make this easy for you - No one cares how much we spend as long as the club can afford it, that may be 50M or 200M no one care how much just that it wont make us bankrupt or have negative consequences in the future.

Its the same tune you are either incapable or unwilling to understand.
Then they do care as some feel we can't afford 200m. Talks of 70m being very risk!!! but you think they would be ok with 200m. Anyway let's leave it there. Agree to disagree!
 
So basically, let me just clarify this, we are good enough to win a trophy but if we fail to win a trophy then nobody is to blame for us failing to win one? That makes no logical sense whatsoever.

You say 4-5 teams are good enough and yet, we aren't seeing 4-5 teams winning trophies are we? Not even in rotation.

We are seeing the same teams repeatedly winning trophies (minus the Leicester season) so there seems to be a pretty predictable pattern as to who will win a trophy and we aren't part of that pattern which would indicate we aren't good enough with our current squad, unless of course you think it's the manager underachieving? Which to me seems ludicrous considering he hasn't signed a player in 18 months.

It sounds to me like, no offense, you are just happy, regardless of what happens and you're willing to accept any outcome because the very idea of criticising the owners makes you uncomfortable and you would rather just accept what you are given than to challenge it because we are in a comfortable position currently.

There is ALWAYS someone to blame, it's the reason people get hired and fired.

I think it's absurd to believe we are getting "closer and closer" when that simply isn't the truth, Man City and the clubs above us could go out tomorrow and blow us away in the market, any rich billionaire could buy a club in this league tomorrow and take our place in the top 4, you see this long term model of "doing things the right way" as something that will pay off in the end, I see that as unhealthy optimism in a modern game that, more often than not, rewards the richest clubs who pay the most for players in terms of wages and fees.

I admire you optimism I really do but the reality speaks for itself, we won't win a major trophy (unless we get Leicester lucky) under our current model.
There is not always someone to blame - when two good competitors face up one will win one will lose - there doenst have to be blame. I am as pissed off more than most when we lose (happy with the club doenst equal happy with the result), I am known for it, but its bollox to say its always someones fault, if you live your life that way I feel sorry for you.

We are achieving (yes achieving) all these things at a major disadvantage, that's no ones fault either, compared to the temas we are playing against. Do you think Burnley are pissed off they are not spending the same as City? if you can understand they have a budget why shouldn't we?

Last year it came out (not 100% but seems very likely) rather than spending £40m on Grealish we added money and bid for De Jong. That's showing ambition rather than going for the easy option and getting Grealish in, it didn't pay off but I am happy with that approach.


Why do you want us to spend 500M every transfer window and bankrupt us, that's a terrible view.
 
Alarming lack of tangible links so far

Again - I reiterate, we will only be able to sign if we sell. Those who think we suddenly have a massive kitty after 5-odd games in the new stadium - beyond delusion. We will be on the lean for years to come, especially before naming rights are secured. Who do you think will service the 1 bn loan - Joe's holiday fund? Newsflash - we won't sign a 80m player this summer
Disagree with you ArcspacE ArcspacE .
Yes we have to furnish the loan but we are in a very different place even after only 5 home games, coupled with extra CL money.
We are a very well run club so the loans will be taken care of but now we are actually in the stadium not still looking forward to it, I am confident there is money to spend.
Might not be £80 million but if Poch thinks a player is worth it then we will spend.
 
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Then they do care as some feel we can't afford 200m. Talks of 70m being very risk!!! but you think they would be ok with 200m. Anyway let's leave it there. Agree to disagree!
No transfers have happened, this is a transfer thread of course they are going to talk about cost.

Once we sign a player there is more information available (club think we can afford it) and the conversation will move on.
 
How many of these do you think were positive signings?

1. Davinson Sanchez (£40million)
2. Moussa Sissoko (£35million)
3. Roberto Soldado (£30million)
4. Erik Lamela (£30million)
5. Heung-Min Son (£30million
6. Lucas Moura (£28.4million)
7. Serge Aurier (£25million)
8. Darren Bent (£24.7million)
9. Vincent Janssen (£22.1million)
10. David Bentley (£22million)


Some of those numbers look wrong.

Anyway, of the top 8, only Soldado was really a disaster, with Aurier still to be determined.
 
No transfers have happened, this is a transfer thread of course they are going to talk about cost.

Once we sign a player there is more information available (club think we can afford it) and the conversation will move on.
That's just silly then!
They evidently would be worried as they think 70m is a risk. But suddenly if we spent that they aren't worried because we must have been able to afford it.
If the club spend 200m it must mean we can afford it by that logic. Especially with levy in charge.
So if the club can afford it but choose to not spend it, some would wrongly think we can't afford it because the club hasn't spent it. So if we can afford 200m but spend 50m, some will say we weren't able to afford 200m. Which would be false.
Anyway,I think your logic is very flawed & misses the point.
 
I never said I wanted us to "Spend all the money" we haven't signed a player in 18 MONTHS until today, the only club in Europe not to sign a player in that time and our manager has outright said we need to change our policy numerous times, the very same manager that has brought us all this success so far because before him we were nowhere near as good as we are now (other than when Redknapp was in charge who doesn't have a thing on what Poch has accomplished considering it's a tougher league now.)


The only thing I care about is us being the best club in the world, anything else is irrelevant to me, that's the honest truth at this juncture and I don't understand why anybody would care about doing things "the right way" in this day and age where football is full of corruption and bullshit and yes, that includes our club despite us somehow thinking we are above it all when we just spent over a billion on a stadium, we are hardly the poor underdogs of the league.

The manager isn't happy with our current model mate, that's the whole point, he has said numerous times we need to operate differently, I have even seen certain posters (who I now have on ignore) say that if Poch doesn't like it then he can leave, I find it utterly ludicrous that people would rather us save money and balance the books and worry more about us taking a short term financial hit than back the best manager we have had in our lifetime or probably ever will have because make no mistake, if things stay as they are it won't be long before he walks mate.
I want to start by saying I think we do need to sign new players this summer but have been quite happy last summer and January when we didn't buy anyone. Last summer the biggest and best business was still signing Poch, Kane and the others onto new contracts.

I don't get the hype over not signing anyone for 18 months if the right players aren't there to sign (and I'm just going on the numerous reports that Poch had money and chose not to spend or couldn't get the right player for the right price.

I also believe when he says things have to change he means that the current model has worked for us so far (whilst we were building and trying to establish ourselves as a regular CL club). We are home now and I think established and recognised as a regular CL club and therefore it is time our plan changed. He's not saying it was the wrong plan all along just that now is the right time to change it.

We will have more money to spend than before (of that I am confident), on transfers and new wages for existing players but the reality is we have to balance the books also to pay for the investment. Levy is prudent but he is not stupid and he will know that we cannot maintain our current position without investment.
 
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