I think we could also get a decent fee for him, he still seems to have a decent reputation from people who aren’t spurs (as opposed to someone like Emerson).
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True, Klopp was concerned that Salah might be too skinny for the EPL - but was a physique issue rather than a mental/attitude issue. The issue we discussed here is about attiude.
Even though Ndombele was not as high a profile player as Haaland he was still a high-profile player back then, costing £55m + £9m add-ons and £200,000 in weekly salary. For that amount of money the whole club, including Pochettino, should have been hands-on about every detail about Ndombele. Pochettino can in no way deflect his responsibility.
Below is an article that was written just after Ndombele signed, and it's full of "warning signs".
Tanguy Ndombele: the complete midfielder … as long as he is focused
Tanguy Ndombele, Tottenham’s record signing from Lyon, resembles Mousa Dembélé or Michael Essien at his best but his attitude and fitness have been questioned in the past
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Tanguy Ndombele: the complete midfielder … as long as he is focused
At his best the Tottenham record signing resembles Michael Essien but his attitude has been questioned in the pastEverybody knows how much Mauricio Pochettino loved Mousa Dembélé when the Belgian midfielder was strutting his stuff for Tottenham. “He’s one of the genius players I have been lucky enough to meet – together with Maradona, Ronaldinho, Okocha and Ivan de la Pena,” the Spurs manager once said. And everybody knows how badly he wanted to make a statement signing this summer in order to reinvigorate his project in north London.
Imagine Pochettino’s excitement now. He has done the latter with the £55m club record purchase of Tanguy Ndombele from Lyon and it is a move that not only plugs the gap left by Dembélé’s departure to Guangzhou R&F last January but promises to rekindle his memory.
At Lyon they love to talk up their players; to hail them as the next big thing – partly, one suspects, to swell their transfer market value. Jean-Michel Aulas, the president, has described Ndombele as the “new Michael Essien” while for Bruno Genesio, who was sacked as the manager in May, he “can be a new Paul Pogba”. There have also been the comparisons to N’Golo Kanté.
But Spurs fans will certainly see shades of Dembélé when Ndombele goes to work for them. Watch for how he gets his body in between the ball and his opponent before he rolls out the shoulder drops, the drag-backs and the pirouettes to get his team moving. Ndombele likes to manipulate the ball, Dembélé-style, by whipping his studs across the top of it while he is an excellent passer but there is also a major difference and it lies in his verticality, as they are fond of saying in France.
If latter-year Dembélé sometimes took an extra touch or looked square, Ndombele’s only thought when he gets the ball is to drive forward and break the lines, whether with a pass or a dribble. Add in his strength and explosive pace, his intelligence – particularly in the offensive transitions – and his ability to regain possession, and it is little wonder that, even at the age of 22, he has been advanced as the complete midfielder.
The raw talent has always been there but the focus has not and it is remarkable to think that as recently as the 2015-16 season Ndombele was fighting for recognition in the Amiens reserve team in the Championnat National 3, which is French football’s fifth tier.
It had all gone wrong for him at Guingamp, where he was released as a 17-year-old in 2014 – the club did not offer him a professional contract amid concerns over his commitment. Was he prepared to make the necessary sacrifices?
Talk to anybody in France about Ndombele and one word recurs: nonchalance. It is not meant as a compliment and takes in the impression that he has not always been the most hard-working player. Perhaps it is because his talent is so big that everything comes easily to him.
“He was nonchalant,” Sullivan Martinet, his youth team captain at Guingamp, told Ouest France. “He was so strong that we were expecting more from him, more consistency. He didn’t try maybe as much. He didn’t give the impression of always being 100%. With hindsight, what harmed him was his behaviour off the pitch. We were less talented but we wanted it more than him.”
Genesio would betray a similar frustration with Ndombele last season, when he wondered in public how he could be so good against Manchester City in the Champions League but so disappointing in some lower-profile games. It is rare to hear Genesio putting such criticisms on the record and it created headlines. That said, he could have applied them to virtually any of his Lyon players and Ndombele’s youth and lack of top-level experience surely had to be considered.
Ndombele had another problem at Guingamp – a propensity to be slightly overweight – and it was cited among the reasons for the refusal to give him a senior deal. “People told me he could put on weight,” said Philippe Le Maire, who was on the club’s youth staff. “To put it in simple terms – he built his bottom half before the top.”
Ndombele was turned down by Auxerre, Caen and Angers – they did not believe that he had the correct build – and, when he joined Amiens, he was at a crossroads, questioning whether he had a future in the professional game. Yet after two seasons in the reserves, he made his senior breakthrough and led the club to promotion from Ligue 2.
Lyon took him on loan for €2m in 2017-18 and, shrewdly, inserted an option to make the deal permanent for €8m. They exercised it after Ndombele excelled, stepping in for Corentin Tolisso, who had moved to Bayern Munich. International recognition has followed, with Ndombele now capped six times by France, the first of which came against Iceland last October, coincidentally at Guingamp’s Stade du Roudourou.
The boy from the banlieues in the south of Paris is not the finished article. For a box-to-box midfielder, he knows that he has to start scoring goals (he got only four at Lyon) while on a bad day, he can give the ball away in dangerous areas. It can be difficult to gauge a player’s true level from performances in Ligue 1 and it is plain that he will need time to adapt at Spurs. How will he cope with the size of his price-tag?
But there can be no doubting the sense of anticipation that accompanies Ndombele to the Premier League. Pep Guardiola was taken aback by how he took the game to his City team while Didier Deschamps, the France manager, says Ndombele “knows how to do everything in the middle.”
Ndombele is a quiet kind of guy, cool and chilled, but with inner steel and a strong religious faith. Pochettino has told him that he will turn him into a world-class player. Ndombele believes him.
No thanks Cornet and he can play wingback cheaper and EPL tested.
Knowing Levy I think it was Levy rather than Paratici who "haggled". Paratici may do the negotiations but in the end it Levy & Lewis who control the fees and payments
Squad game, rotation is the key word.
If we sign an elite attacker, I'd say they have greater chance to get in ahead of Kulu than Son/Kane.
That said, Kulu will obviously still be a major player for us next season.
How do you know that Villareal is the only club interested in Lo Celso? After Lo Celso's display last season there will be several clubs interested in him and Spurs know that. Otherwise, they would probably take your advice and sold him to the first bidder without waiting for other clubs and what they may offer for him
Oh I know it was Levy but my point is we didn't do extensive homework on Emerson, it was a last minute thing because of the Takehiro deal didn't work out.
Agree he was very good but is he fit now and what are his contract terms?
Oh please....... Give it a rest.
His job as laid out upon appointment was to be head coach for a team on a modest budget whilst we built a stadium(*). There was no con job.
(*He knew this and even used this job description to boost the rhetoric about his much vaunted ethos, philosophy and youth-development prowess!)
He was tasked with qualifying for CL by the time we arrived in the stadium. He achieved that and earned a deserved promotion and huge pay-hike along the way(***).
Then the moment the stadium was opened he was afforded a spend up.
All the rest of this junk is just conspiracy and fan rhetoric.
(***Even when he first arrived he was granted the autonomy to do a mass clear-out. Levy then did his utmost to ensure every key component of his squad was locked into a long term deal and given fat pay-rises when 17/18 came around to entice them all to stay....... "Backing" isn't just about blank-cheques in the trf market!)
Since that CL final, what did Levy do to "fuck" him?
Blow £130m on his wish-list?
Boo hoo.
Is Kostic any better than what we have ? Obviously had a standout season, but didn’t really hear from him until this season. Anyone have a better view of him as a player?
I knew that last season he was one of the best wingbacks out their, would prefer Perisic but Kostic is a Conte buy, he wanted him at Inter
If we even bid for him shows how we have changed, paying for an outfield player that's over the age of 25
Yeah.
They took time but obviously not as much time as the Takehiro deal.
Lewis don't do shit mate, aside from sign off the annual budget/financial planning.......
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