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Pairsy1882 said:
I am not saying that blaming someone is gonna solve anything, this was simply put here to stimulate a debate on where we think the club has gone wrong, if it has gone wrong at all.

I agree with you that despite the Twitter wankfest over our summer transfer window it actually wasn't as good and or clever as a number of people first thought. I feel we would have been far better served just filling the spots that desperately needed filling.
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The summary of our season is thus:

You're not as good as you think you are.


It applies to AVB, Sherwood, Baldini, a number of players, and worst of all - us as fans. We're not the team we think we are - look at what we're up against, we never stood a chance this season without our rushed bodged team.
 
CJJ said:
It's not necessarily you, but the umpteen people who vote as such.

If you look at the league, we're probably the most envied for the Chairman we have, for people who know business and football. I can't think of one other team who has a better chairman
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Have to agree with you mate, we have slowly but surely improved over the period ENIC have been in charge, there are areas where I think they could have done more but on the hole I think we have pushed on under them.
 
In answering you can't just lay blame at one persons feet.
The way I see it Daniel made some big decisions -
1. hired AVB in accordance with a vision most people agreed with
2. hired Baldini as this was a recognised model to assist AVB and AVB even said he needed help in this area, so he could concentrate on players.
3. recruited players - some perceived quality everyone wanted (Soldado, Paulinho), and then a host of promising young players with everyone excited about the potential of Lamela and Eriksen. Others made some sense.

What happened then is where the "actors" did not perform to their resumes with exception of Eriksen and Chiriches.
And now it seems there is a spiral of bad fortune which follows when "everyone" does not follow the plan.

Now it is back to leadership - Daniel must act.
1. He must announce an experienced manager prior end of year. (It will not be Tim).
2. If Tim fails to accept working to end of yr - he goes.
3. New manager, Baldini, Levy agree on strategy for players.
4. Those players (after knowing who the new mgr is) that want to leave should be encouraged to leave.
 
JDK said:
Appreciate it, mate. I don't think I could stomach Ashley Cole even if on paper it would be a good fit. Some guys I would look at are Gareth Barry, Lescott, Milner, and Evra.
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I am of the same belief, he was just a name. Barry has been immense for Everton this season and I have a feeling he was a Spurs fan as a lad. Could do a job and add a bit of experience to the squad.
 
shawry1882 said:
In answering you can't just lay blame at one persons feet.
The way I see it Daniel made some big decisions -
1. hired AVB in accordance with a vision most people agreed with
2. hired Baldini as this was a recognised model to assist AVB and AVB even said he needed help in this area, so he could concentrate on players.
3. recruited players - some perceived quality everyone wanted (Soldado, Paulinho), and then a host of promising young players with everyone excited about the potential of Lamela and Eriksen. Others made some sense.

What happened then is where the "actors" did not perform to their resumes with exception of Eriksen and Chiriches.
And now it seems there is a spiral of bad fortune which follows when "everyone" does not follow the plan.

Now it is back to leadership - Daniel must act.
1. He must announce an experienced manager prior end of year. (It will not be Tim).
2. If Tim fails to accept working to end of yr - he goes.
3. New manager, Baldini, Levy agree on strategy for players.
4. Those players (after knowing who the new mgr is) that want to leave should be encouraged to leave.
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CJJ said:
Not really, I just feel that there's no doubt that he would have walked anyway regardless of the situation. Saw it on his face after the Liverpool game..
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Tottenham boss Andre Villas-Boas has said he will not quit after his side's 5-0 thrashing by Liverpool, their worst home defeat in 16 years.
Asked if his job was safe, Villas-Boas said: "That decision is not mine.
"I won't resign and I'm not a quitter. The only thing I can do is work hard with the players to try and get the results that we all want."

CJJ said:
The biggest mistake was buying a load of players like it was a computer game
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Is this also not Levy's fault?
 
shawry1882 said:
In answering you can't just lay blame at one persons feet.
The way I see it Daniel made some big decisions -
1. hired AVB in accordance with a vision most people agreed with
2. hired Baldini as this was a recognised model to assist AVB and AVB even said he needed help in this area, so he could concentrate on players.
3. recruited players - some perceived quality everyone wanted (Soldado, Paulinho), and then a host of promising young players with everyone excited about the potential of Lamela and Eriksen. Others made some sense.

What happened then is where the "actors" did not perform to their resumes with exception of Eriksen and Chiriches.
And now it seems there is a spiral of bad fortune which follows when "everyone" does not follow the plan.

Now it is back to leadership - Daniel must act.
1. He must announce an experienced manager prior end of year. (It will not be Tim).
2. If Tim fails to accept working to end of yr - he goes.
3. New manager, Baldini, Levy agree on strategy for players.
4. Those players (after knowing who the new mgr is) that want to leave should be encouraged to leave.
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Spot on! Any chance you can take over and sort out this mess?
 
truetomyself said:
Tottenham boss Andre Villas-Boas has said he will not quit after his side's 5-0 thrashing by Liverpool, their worst home defeat in 16 years.
Asked if his job was safe, Villas-Boas said: "That decision is not mine.
"I won't resign and I'm not a quitter. The only thing I can do is work hard with the players to try and get the results that we all want."

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Is it also not Levy's fault?
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Levy had hired Baldini to find players, spent the money and in theory it was great.

If it was anyones 'fault' it was baldini's as the most experienced. In reality, I don't see 'fault' but a lesson learnt through bad luck.

If all players were firing on all cylinders it'd be seen as a stroke of genius
 
I still blame that dodgy lasagne.

We would be European powerhouses now if it wasn't for that stupid pasta based dish. It's not even that nice, yet it ruined everything.

Bloody foreign foods. Stick to good old curry or Chinese I say.
 
Our season was fucked when Neil Ashton and Martin Samuel decided they wanted to make AVB their mid-season story.

He took the bait and got embroiled in stupid press conferences and from that point we were only a few bad performances away from the whole thing blowing up.

Levy and a section of the fans bought into what the newspapers were saying and took over from there.
 
CJJ said:
In reality, I don't see 'fault' but a lesson learnt through bad luck.
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Yet you called it a mistake. Mistakes don't happen by themselves. Someone makes them.

Also, let's not overestimate Baldini's role. He's not the one making final decision. I'm sure he doesn't make a single decision by himself.
 
MKYid said:
Would it be fairer to say AVB's position was made untenable by Levy?
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I don't know. Reality is, whichever way you look at it, for not the first time in the EPL, AVB's position was made untenable by AVB.

Sometimes I think it goes past a point where the players can really come round for a manager. I think it's taken the Liverpool game for both managers to see when that has happened.


Worst thing is, I can imagine even the likes of Pulis would be doing a better job with the team right now. We seem to be completely incapable of playing as underdogs.

Tim is now just something else. Seems to be a complete idiot unwilling to take any blame and wants to distance himself from it, but will take the glory nonetheless. If someone told me he was fixing matches, I'd believe it - he pee'd me off today. If it means the next manager can get on without the risk of him interfering from on high like in the hoddle days, then I'm happy it's happened.

I don't blame the players because they are all naive - it's the manager's job to sort them out and to 'manage' them. The mistakes for me suggest that they don't want to win for him. Something odd about just how kamikaze our defence is, and I'm suspicious.
 
For me the buck stops with Levy. He made the decision to hire AVB, he made the decision to part with AVB for what ever reasons. It was Levy's decision to install Tim either by choice or as a result of a fruitless search for another manager. In answer to the question in the OP, Levy is the reason this season has been a mess.

Still wouldn't swap him for any of the chairmen I know of out there. Vincent Tan, the Venkys, the porn barons even Abramovich going and personally buying Torres for £50m...there is a lot worse we could do in terms of chairman.
 
We're on course for our worst league position in about 5 years. In my view it started with Redknapp going full retard and getting himself fired. Then I blame Levy for hiring a 35 year old novice (even if I liked the idea at the time). Then I blame AVB for ripping out our soul, making us a painfully negative side. Then I blame Levy again, for apponting another nobody. So, in sum, Levy 66,6666% to blame (with AVB as his enforcer), Redknapp 33,3333%.
 
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