It’s actually managed to start even earlier than it did with Ange in season 1.
Luckily the media talking heads haven’t really picked up on it yet and started building their own narratives
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It’s actually managed to start even earlier than it did with Ange in season 1.
Luckily the media talking heads haven’t really picked up on it yet and started building their own narratives
Frank has been clear that the only real functioning part of our game is phase 1.
Phase two still needs work.
Phase 3 is still a non-starter until we can convert our intent with capable players returning and join our game up properly through the phases.
You're doing way, way too much.
It's absurd.
People acting like we didn't lose 22 games last season leaking goals for fun with idiotic playground footbal.
Seasoned, effective prem manager comes in to begin to get to work on it, faces a striker crisis and gets slammed for not working miracles with plodding Richie up front.
Fanbase is fried.
Stop with the Ange stuff. My nan would have us playing better at the back. Who knew that not having 8 men on the attacking third we'd shite the defence up a bit.
If in 4 months he's not managed to get beyond passing the ball our of defence, that's not exactly a glowing endorsement. I'd jump on the Richy is shot band wagon if he's involved in play that isn't hoofing it up to him and waiting for crosses to be hot into the first man.
Anyway,we can agree on one thing, this fan club is fried. Acceptance of well below slop is acceptable. I'll check back in December amigo. And I'll happily accept that I was worrying for no reason, or, it's as bad as I think it might be.
That's just not true. There was evidence of good football being played. Right off the bat. You lament our options up top now, but back then we had Soldado, Adebayor, Townsend and Chadli, as well as a Lamela who took a year to get going and a poor (at that point in his career) Lennon.
There was so much dross in that team, but we still played well. The signs were there, I wasn't particularly worried then. Granted we got hammered against the big sides, but there were building blocks.
We were 2 points off where we are now and played City, Liverpool and Woolwich.
And any manager would have fixed that, by as I say, not having 8 men in the attacking third with absolutely no cover and a line at the halfway line.
You seen very negative about Ange, maybe you're one of the toxic fans you speak of?
a) are you actually referring to Ange there?
b) are you serious tryign to tell me we haven't been able to progress the ball at all inot the final 3rd?
What's even going on here?
A) I replied to you mentioning him. And yes any manager would have us better at the back, it's part of his strange philosophy.
B) We get it to wingers, that's it.
C) You blame toxic fans for bad football, but you call Ange a fat cunt and blame him for the Titanic going down. So should toxic fans maybe be anyone who doesn't agree with Thinky? Because that's quite a contradiction bud. I'm not being "toxic". I'm pointing out things, with statistics to go with it and not name calling the man, because I do like him, I just don't see what the hell we're supposed to be and we're getting worse if anything. Stating my concerns, of which anyone who isn't blind can see there are.
Dunno mate, you'll have to ask Frank what's going on. It's a bit shit so far to be fair.
Playing better at the back - how?
We're limited in how we've been able to move the ball through the phases, which Frank has already clearly stated is still a work in progress.
But, if you're trying to say we don't commit men into the final third, when we do eventually make it there, then you're just lying.
Or are you just pissed off at the pathway there?
You're reading statistics without accepting pertinent variables.
You're just coming across unhinged.
Guy has only just gotten here.
Fucking absurd fanbase.
Better at the back than Ange? Do I really need to justify that with a response? Forest went from hard to beat under Nuno, to conceding the most goals in the league over night. Again, anyone could coach a defence better than Ange did. Not a big secret.
When did I say we don't commit men into the final third, at any point? My issue is that when we have the ball centrally, we pass it around a bit, then either backwards or out to the wing. That's it. That's what I'm disillusioned at. If you have plenty of examples that show the contrary, by all means, show me them.
I'm considering the statistics with the variables. Hence why I've mentioned that we've had a very favourable schedule, we've scored 4 goals over our expected amount, which is huge for this stage of a season. We're currently the third most clinical team in the league, and without a serviceable forward, that's not sustainable as long as we play the way we do.
I've given comparisons to Brentford, who are in a very similar position, in that 3 of their best players are no longer there, except they're being coached by a rookie manager, and are finding their feet. Pretty much every one of our players are better than theirs right now, but they can attack the ball, they can create chances.
All I want to see are shoots of improvement. I don't think we're winning the league or every match. But not being dreadful for the most part of 90 mins is getting hard to take. Again, going back to context, we've had a nice schedule. Couldn't really ask for better so far. After Leeds, the calibre of opponent picks up massively. Playing like we are now, there's going to be embarrassing results in there, because we're not coming from a goal or two behind every single game.
You're the one blaming everything on the last manager. Yet I'm the unhinged one. Right oh bud. I'll chat with you in December
Ah, crossed wires about what you were saying about defence.Better at the back than Ange? Do I really need to justify that with a response? Forest went from hard to beat under Nuno, to conceding the most goals in the league over night. Again, anyone could coach a defence better than Ange did. Not a big secret.
When did I say we don't commit men into the final third, at any point? My issue is that when we have the ball centrally, we pass it around a bit, then either backwards or out to the wing. That's it. That's what I'm disillusioned at. If you have plenty of examples that show the contrary, by all means, show me them.
I'm considering the statistics with the variables. Hence why I've mentioned that we've had a very favourable schedule, we've scored 4 goals over our expected amount, which is huge for this stage of a season. We're currently the third most clinical team in the league, and without a serviceable forward, that's not sustainable as long as we play the way we do.
I've given comparisons to Brentford, who are in a very similar position, in that 3 of their best players are no longer there, except they're being coached by a rookie manager, and are finding their feet. Pretty much every one of our players are better than theirs right now, but they can attack the ball, they can create chances.
All I want to see are shoots of improvement. I don't think we're winning the league or every match. But not being dreadful for the most part of 90 mins is getting hard to take. Again, going back to context, we've had a nice schedule. Couldn't really ask for better so far. After Leeds, the calibre of opponent picks up massively. Playing like we are now, there's going to be embarrassing results in there, because we're not coming from a goal or two behind every single game.
You're the one blaming everything on the last manager. Yet I'm the unhinged one. Right oh bud. I'll chat with you in December
Ange left a mess to sort out.
You can pretend he didn't and not give Frank time to sort it, if you want.
I don't think that's reasonable tho.
The green shoots have been in defence, resilience, indefatigability and still being joint 4th highest scorers in the league, thus far, in spite of having shit attacking options.
Though there is a clear issue in the dimension of play we have through midfield and, especially, into the final 3rd, our intention and drive to keep pushing for goals and our commitment of players in and around the box, has been very good, overall.
If none of this represents positive progress, in context, then I can't help you.
You're carrying on like the guy has been here for a full season and is still stuck in the same place.
I just don't get it.
It truly is fucking diabolical.
Anyway, yes, can revisit this in December.
I can understand the phase 2 /3 comments. However the phase looks just as bad. How many chances are we coughing up. Not exactly what you would George Graham goons level tight and that is mostly with first choice back 4. Pal has played in a few of these games as well. Just pointing out not having a go. I just think the players need a rocket up their arse and someone like Harry to motivate them before KO. For a few years now not just under Frank but Ange and conte we come out first half half asleep.
Phew ! Turns out it was €28.5 m. So Bayern have a fairly ok profit on the guy.
Did I miss out any discussion on the leadership group at all?
Kinda disappointed Porro and one of Kulu/Bentancur not included. Putting Davies in is weird. So is Vicario if I'm honest, since he has two CBs at the back as, undisputed leaders.
The club is really getting very transparent now to even explicitly announced the leadership group. Are we the only club doing that?
Kinda disappointed Porro and one of Kulu/Bentancur not included. Putting Davies in is weird. So is Vicario if I'm honest, since he has two CBs at the back as, undisputed leaders.
The club is really getting very transparent now to even explicitly announced the leadership group. Are we the only club doing that?
Adebayor was a bit lazy but could also turn a game when he felt like it; we also had more players who were regular 6-8/10s (now we have - who - VdV who we can rely on for consistency?) and so the overall quality of the team was higher. Also - and I personally think this is very important and many of us forget - there were about two teams that had had any kind of effective press at that point, and Poch’s teams were both of them (Saints and then us: Klopp’s bullsh*t lauded ‘gegenpress’ didnt arrive until later; Pep was busy making quick tiki-taka triangles which, in the absence of organised pressing, meant that they just scooted around all the opposition without being tackled). This made it easier to collect the ball in MF and transition to the front - every team has a reasonable press now, and even the promoted 3 are solid at the back in a way that they never were before.
4 months is nothing.