Yes I know we weren’t great under Ange but we certainly weren’t a mess or broken team. Frank saying it’s gonna take a long time to fix is contradictory to what vinai and levy were saying. He was bought in to build on the success of the EL and help us improve in the league using the experience of the squad. You’d think he’s walked into a right shit show.
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Manager Thomas Frank
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Yeah - and tbh the shitshow that it's become is at least partially of his own making. I don't think he's had it easy with the injuries to Maddison, Kulu and Solanke off the back of losing Son, but apparently he personally pushed for Palhinha and we would've signed Norgaard instead had he been available. Neither of these players would've fixed the chasm of passing ability in our midfield and that's on him. If he'd come in and pushed for a technical midfielder as his number 1 priority I reckon the club would've bought him one.
Ironically Palhinha hasn't fixed our defensive issues at all either so, despite some fantastic early performances, he's looking like more and more of a redundant signing as the weeks go by.
The only people associated with the club who want high standards are us Who go to the ground yet we get castigated for it.
Yep. Seems to have been forgotten.
If that's true, that would seem to be extreme.
Yeah that run is always brushed over by the Ange defenders cos our underlying numbers were pretty good at the start of the following season and we battered a few teams. We looked so deeply naive and soft-centred in every one of those games against the top teams at the end of 23-24. After the Newcastle beating there was just this inevitability that we were going to be destroyed in all the others (well, except the title-deciding City game ironically where we did show up). And the scorelines were largely kind to us, tbh. Really felt like those teams had us completely figured out.
And even during that promising run at the start of 24-25 when we had a largely fit squad I distinctly remember looking at our fixture list after the Ipswich game and thinking "I'm not sure where the next win is coming from". It really felt like we could lose to anyone and the whole project was a house of cards that could come crashing down at any moment as the fixtures piled up and Ange kept running the squad into the ground.
Ironically we then smashed City 4-0 but following that it was 1 win in 10 and we completely imploded.
Don't think Ange situation was tougher but similar. I think there is more pressure on Frank BECAUSE we won last year..
Did he inherit a squad with high morale and unity when our star captain left?
For additions.. He really only got Kudus.... Muani, Palinha weren't first choices at all but since we lost out on Gibbs, Eze, Mbuemo etc. we had to get those 2 on loan....not even buy.
Richarlison in a better place should be given credit to Frank yea?
Ange at this point in his first season was 9-3-5 but as you know he went downwards spiral we all know.
So give Frank his first full season and then complain at the end. Pointless to do all this now.
Did anyone seriously think it would be any different to when Ange was in charge . We've got the same defence and the same mis-firing strike-force . Richarlison went on a goalscoring run with 9gls in 10 games but was pony afterwards , and he's almost doing the same this season . But when your other top goal-scorers are your CBs and own goals , doesn't that tell you that we're relegation waiting to happen . Thomas Frank keeps meddling with the midfield and they can't build an understanding - they can't gel because they're not getting consistent game time together . The defence is the only constant and even they aren't great . I wish he would sort out the midfield and stick with it so they can gel with each other . Also I've been crying out for 2 "does what it says on the tin" strikers but we keep buying kids hoping they'll turn into the next Harry Kane . We haven't replaced Kane and now we haven't replaced Son . We've bought Solanke - a one season wonder that doesn't know how to be a predator , instead he runs around like a headless chicken . Levy said that the stadium would be a game changer - well it has been . We've been gradually getting worse and worse season after season , and now we're toilet . I travel hundreds of miles to be entertained and I'm getting served up shit week after week . Thomas Frank is right about one thing - we're in a bad place ATM . Can he get us out of it , I doubt it . The players waited until we were 2-0 down against Forest before they showed any sort of spirit . That's how we're supposed to play at the start , not once you're staring down the barrel of a drubbing . The players have practically downed tools and are starting to become lethargic and ponderous instead of feisty and arduous . I don't want us to get relegated but that's where we're headed ATM . We're losing to bottom of the table teams and losing virtually all our home games to boot . I don't think TF is the manager to get us CL football season after season , in fact I don't think he can keep us in PL . We have new chairmanship and it's looking like they're quite content with us throwing away our chances of European football next season . In fact it looks like they don't care if we get relegated . New broom - clean sweep - Don't make me laugh..........Yid Army
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I think they just don't respect Frank and they want everyone to know it via their lacklustre performances. They're trying to guide the supporters into resenting the manager.
Frank wants them to play on the back foot, be underdogs like Brentford, they don't dig it, and they wont like being reminded of last season's 17th position.
When he keeps referring to needing time what he's actually saying is the players are substandard, they need time to improve or he requires time to sell a lot of them and build a new team.
Of course I'm making assumptions.
There were some of us who warned there was not going to be a managerial silver bullet.
But there were loads on here who spent most of last season bullying anyone who didn't call our manager a "fat cunt" and mocking those who believed we should support him because that's what fans should do...
Now half of those bullies are calling Frank a cunt and the other half are pretending us winning a European Trophy has caused so much damage it will take Frank decades to fix it.
None of them have admitted they were wrong of course.
Mathematical equation...
Kevin Ball . How very singular...
After that 10 game run-in or however many games it was, we were in relegation form for the rest of Ange's tenure. ~ 1 ppg in the league it worked out to, by the end, I believe even with the bounce?
He delivered absolutely dire results and still survived for 18 months.
Without the initial bounce Ange would have been sacked at the end of year 1 probably, certainly around the time of the first international break last year. That was when the majority of people with brains rattling around their heads had seen enough.
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First 10 games was 8 wins and 2 draws = 26 points.
Season total 66 points.
So the remaining 28 games the team earned 40 points which is 1.43 ppg, if the first 10 matches are included then 1.73 ppg.
If there was no 10 game new manager bounce and the whole season was 1.43 ppg then the total would have been 54 points so still not relegation form for that specific season. The form after the 10 matches was mid table not relegation.
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We aint Brentford Rooster!
I think we're kind of talking about the same thing really.
The manager isnt getting into the players, doesnt have them onside, hasnt convinced them his is the right way...
And to be honest, while I dont advocate players protesting or downing tools (Im not sure they are) - Im more on their side than his in this case
No, I think you’re right. I think we have a group of players who love an easy life.
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