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Ex-Spurs Player Tim Sherwood

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I've had a few mulled wines as its Christmas. Gotta be honest, I never wanted Sherwood to get the job. Levy chose him simply because his interim appointments have worked out better than his "next level" ones. However, I support the 1882 movement and don't think negativity or trolling is productive towards it so couldn't really give a fuck about Carlito's coats or Sammy's meltdowns.

#ComeOnTim

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MrS said:
Sorry. Most of this waffle .I don't agree that TS was in a position where he had nothing to lose and now that has somehow changed. I feel he was up for it from the start. We had AVB in charge doing his thing , in his unique way. Anything that TS does will seem differant, possibly odd because of what we been used to.it may come over naive but AVB did do at times. I can't accept your dismissals of TS on the based of two games the. Hope he does well?
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He was in a position of nothing to lose. He was the caretaker! If it goes well he is a frickin genius, proving how wrong the prior manager was. If it doesnt go well so what? The team was struggling anyway, its not his fault...

He was free to throw caution to the wind without consequence. And I believe he played to this.

Now he has an 18 month contract. What that says to me is - "Do well the rest of this season, and you get a shot at next season". Now he has the biggest opportunity imaginable. Can you conceive of your virgin job in management being in a top 4 contender with a squad full of internationals? Its unheard of.

Of course I hope he does well, but I fail to see how it is somehow wrong to comment on what I have observed so far
 
Lilly White said:
So why give him the job after 2 games?

That is my concern. I get the impression that Tim Sherwood saying publicly that he'd only accept a long-term deal forced Levy's hand (knowing nobody else wanted it). It meant that there was never going to be the time to properly assess him. It seems that a 3 - 2 win over a small club punching above their weight (and helping us with an own goal) is what has handed Tim this job.
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I disagree. I don't think he got the job because of the past 2 games, rather that he's been about the club going on 5 years now. Levy knows him. He knows the set up. Many in the footballing world have sung his praises as a coach. There is much more to his appointment than the past couple of games.

Also, it's unfair to disparage the result against Southampton as a win over a 'small club punching above their weight.' Southampton are a good side. We went away from home and scored 3 goals against one of the best defenses in the league. Tim's bold tactics paid off. There were plenty of errors but, all in all, it was a good result. Credit where credit is due mate.
 
TheSprocketMan said:
You can have as many opinions as you want but it is of my opinion that yours are premature. They are assuming and without substance BUT if you are as open minded as you say you are then we have no problem. I just don't like the idea of fans being on his back from the get-go. It's counter-productive. I think it's important the fans show solidarity and support Tim to help him feel more at ease in the job. We should be viewing this as a long-term appointment, not an 18-month long job interview.
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What is assuming?

Im not on his back. I cannot say enough how I hope he is successful, but if I dont say what I think now then Im basically putting my fingers in my ears and humming "La la la".

Is it not possible to raise concerns, perhaps make observations that arent entirely complimentary without being branded some sort of hater?

Unequivically I want nothing more than Sherwood to succeed. All Im saying is right now thats based more on hope than expectation and I want him to prove me wrong.
 
Lister said:
What is assuming?

Im not on his back. I cannot say enough how I hope he is successful, but if I dont say what I think now then Im basically putting my fingers in my ears and humming "La la la".

Is it not possible to raise concerns, perhaps make observations that arent entirely complimentary without being branded some sort of hater?

Unequivically I want nothing more than Sherwood to succeed. All Im saying is right now thats based more on hope than expectation and I want him to prove me wrong.
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You're assuming he's not up for the job mate. You have very little to base that on bar two games in a week. I'm not saying you shouldn't have an opinion but yours is a strong one. It's not an opinion, I believe, you can substantially back up. At this point, it's merely speculative.
 
Lister said:
We have had 3 poor results in 28 (?) this season. 0-3, 6-0, 0-5. Otherwise EVERY other game has been defensively sound, we have been solid, dominated possession and had chances to score (albeit those particular stats are skewed by Townsend :avbfacepalm:)

Scoring has been our real problem, not conceeding.

I can imagine the City result being MUCH worse. With only Dembele protecting the defence from that City attack how could it not be?!

You disagree, thats fine. Id rather admit as much now than drag an argument out for days on it.
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I agree he needs to play a fucking DM. I was tearing my hair out when he didn't sub on Capoue for Dembele.
 
TheSprocketMan said:
You're assuming he's not up for the job mate. You have very little to base that on bar two games in a week. I'm not saying you shouldn't have an opinion but yours is a strong one. It's not an opinion, I believe, you can substantially back up. At this point, it's merely speculative.
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What is there to back up the idea he is up to the job? We can only go on what is put in front of us cant we?

People have been turning their noses up to the likes of Laudrup this week. A manager of 10 years experience, in a number of countries, a winner and 10x the footballer Sherwood ever was.

According to plenty, he isnt good enough for us.

Then Sherwood whose sole experience is looking after our "development squad".

For a team pushing 4th and wanting to win the Europa league, does that sound qualified to you?

I think, justifiably, Im sat here wondering what the hell he has done to warrant such an opportunity. However, questioning whether or not he is up to the job is not the same as not supporting him or wanting him to do well.
 
What changes TS makes will be seen as bold with praise iif good and credability harmed is not. I agree to this but it's stating the obvevious. He's in the hot seat because of his employment of many years with THFC. The fact that he changed things ( being bold) is what he believes to be right to get confidance back, to start scoring goals again and to get results. I do accept your views but give him a chance before trying to dissect him before his had the opportunity to show us what he can do. I must add AVB didn't leave things too bad for him.
 
MrS said:
What changes TS makes will be seen as bold with praise iif good and credability harmed is not. I agree to this but it's stating the obvevious. He's in the hot seat because of his employment of many years with THFC. The fact that he changed things ( being bold) is what he believes to be right to get confidance back, to start scoring goals again and to get results. I do accept your views but give him a chance before trying to dissect him before his had the opportunity to show us what he can do. I must add AVB didn't leave things too bad for him.
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I did say weeks ago whoever took over from AVB will be grateful for a lot of his work.

I do agree, Sherwood needs the chance to prove himself.

I am just a little confused that the idea of looking at what he has done so far is so controversial.
 
Lister said:
What is there to back up the idea he is up to the job? We can only go on what is put in front of us cant we?

People have been turning their noses up to the likes of Laudrup this week. A manager of 10 years experience, in a number of countries, a winner and 10x the footballer Sherwood ever was.

According to plenty, he isnt good enough for us.

Then Sherwood whose sole experience is looking after our "development squad".

For a team pushing 4th and wanting to win the Europa league, does that sound qualified to you?

I think, justifiably, Im sat here wondering what the hell he has done to warrant such an opportunity. However, questioning whether or not he is up to the job is not the same as not supporting him or wanting him to do well.
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Look at Chelscum and De Matteo - CL winners. Most of it is down to the players.
 
MrS said:
Look at Chelscum and De Matteo - CL winners. Most of it is down to the players.
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So what is the point? The manager doesnt matter? Even a crap manager can win? Or Di Matteo is a misunderstood genuis?

IMHO the manager is the most important person at the club. I admire that Sherwood is so bold, hopefully that can rub off on the team.
 
SandroSays said:
Despite the kamikaze set-up of the team, I was warming to the idea of Sherwood because of his interviews and the performance of Bentelab - but seeing Holtby (and Capoe) playing in the reserves makes this evening's announcement hard to take. I hope it's just a fitness thing or something and not a political decision.

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Really? That is weird.
I can't imagine either of them would be trouble makers, so yeah, unless recovering from unknown injuries it seems very counter-productive.
 
Lister said:
I did say weeks ago whoever took over from AVB will be grateful for a lot of his work.

I do agree, Sherwood needs the chance to prove himself.

I am just a little confused that the idea of looking at what he has done so far is so controversial.
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I feel it's too soon after all the shite we've had to endure . It would be nice just to sit back, bite the nails and enjoy without looking for holes. I'm hoping he opens up our play. Playing Ade has ignited our attack. We desperately need players back because there are gaps which will improve when everyone is fit.
 
The point is De Matteos PL record was worse than AVBs. What would you have said at the time? Their football opened up and players had freedom to do what they do best which is play football. Of course coaches have a role to play but they need to understand where the line is. AVB over stepped that line and had too much controll.
 
MrS said:
The point is De Matteos PL record was worse than AVBs. What would you have said at the time? Their football opened up and players had freedom to do what they do best which is play football. Of course coaches have a role to play but they need to understand where the line is. AVB over stepped that line and had too much controll.
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Imagine Darth Vader hissing noises and deep voice
"But he did not control his destiny"
 
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