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Doesn't have to persuade them but it gets the racist cunts out of ground and doesn't tarnish them...they're too small minded to be persuaded racism is wrong so let's just exclude them to show we hate these cunts.
let’s leave aside the question of whether one has a right to be racist, or at least have a right to express his opinions even if repugnant (as most people don’t rationally decide to be racist, they simply are if they are so).
You’re not trying to persuade them, you’re trying to persuade those what are neither here nor there. Empirical research shows it’s not that effective and many people see it as bullying. I would think that in this case where it’s not even blatant racism and some simply go against the culture war, it would feel more unjust to those who have no opinion on it yet.
There’s an Italian writer, Cristina Bicchieri that wrote some books and did some ground work with UNICEF on changing norms. This hammer on the head approach is not as effective as one would imagine.
Nope. Get the cunts out and don't tolerate it...end of.
You couldn't stop grinning that a collective make it known that they are actively against discrimination? What a thoroughly wonderful person you must be. What is it about equality that upsets you so much, was it so much better when you were lapping up the spiel about being a superior race? Or was it when you started losing your jobs working down at the docks thanks to the rivers of blood? There is nothing "decent" about you, dear one
I may have read the wrong bit of her research but she would seem to imply that the reason these fans behave in this way is because of their identification of their own norms, for whatever reason (seems to generally suggest learned expectations of those around them is most powerful). So, interestingly, one of the most important elements is to keep the social expectation of taking the knee. However, surely, in order to maintain the social expectation of calling out and not condoning behaviour that might be construed as racist, it still needs to be done. One way to do this is to make an example of those who do it.
Yes, it’s not great in modifying the behaviour of the few that do it, but it maintains the positive and progressive trend towards equality of the masses.
Anyway...enough of game theory for one day - we’ve got an NLD to win tomorrow!
Yes, it’s not great in modifying the behaviour of the few that do it, but it maintains the positive and progressive trend towards equality of the masses.
Anyway...enough of game theory for one day - we’ve got an NLD to win tomorrow!
1) racists are not rational
2) you cannot persuade racists, so you should persuade those "neither here nor there" - i.e., those who dispute whether racism exists...? if you need to be "persuaded" that racism doesn't exist in football or society then you're just willfully ignorant. only snowflakes would see people taking the knee to shed light on racism and possibly be offended by it
3) racism clearly exists - and is a form of inciting violence. just watch the Maradona documentary. even if we argue over whether or not hate speech is violent, why on earth should it be permissible in a public arena. should racism be tolerated in school classrooms? in parliamentary debates?
what would be comparable would be hooliganism. hooligans are not rational. how did hooliganism die? the hammer on the head approach.
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4) irrational violence can only be met with violence - i.e. morally justified violence
re: Cristina Bicchieri - had a dig around and i do take that argument, positive messaging is always a better method. but i'm not sure to the extent that works with racism in sport. you can't "positive" your way out of people chanting vile slurs.
Have to say, I'm with the Wall on this. The taking the knee thing was driven by the murder of Mr Floyd, a tragic event. However, nothing is done remember our own, Lee Rigby who was beheaded, and I make no apology for repeating, beheaded, on the streets of London.
certainly, in an ideal world we would be taking the knee and crowing from the rooftops about every murder or stabbing or violence irrespective of race/social background, and the solution isn't to bitch about whether or not politics should be in sport or rank which atrocity is worst, but to voice out constantly and consistently. that's how progress is achieved. rather than sit at home and get offended that your politically neutral sensibilities aren't respected
if you want to remember Lee Rigby, go ahead and campaign to do so. if you think nothing is done, then go do something
"Our own". The knee wasn't driven by the murder, that happened to be the catalyst. It was driven by years of systematic oppression. Lee Rigby was the victim of a tragic killing, but he was white and lived in a white world so his death was not the result of said oppression. Although you may well be privy to that epiphany and yet remain willfully ignorant of it.
Ahead of the Sky Bet Championship match, the topic of players taking a knee was discussed on Millwall's fans forum and a statement from the first-team squad was published on the official club website on Friday.
It read: "As a squad we are fully supportive of the entire football family's efforts in ridding the sport, and society generally, of all forms of discrimination.
"It is our duty as players to reinforce the positive messaging and action of clubs, community trusts, charities and governing bodies, and we do so with great pride and knowledge that so much good work is being done up and down the country.
"The gesture of 'taking the knee' before matches provides an opportunity for us to do exactly that and continues to allow all those playing to publicly showcase their support - on behalf of the whole squad - for the fight against discrimination.
"We wish to make clear that taking the knee, for us, is in no way representative of any agreement with political messaging or ideology. It is purely about tackling discrimination, as has been the case throughout.
"We will continue to do this until the start of the New Year when a new and comprehensive anti-discrimination strategy will be announced by the club."
I can see how this might be confused with a communist manifesto.
Exactly, but many will continue to push against it because tricky buggers are making people feel uncomfortable about being white
What was Lee Rugby’s death the result of then?
Such as???
I can see this ending well with you asking such a question. Just to humour you, roughly 80% of the people in the UK are white. Lee Rugby was a white man, in a white dominated society who was killed by two radicalised non white men (British men of Nigerian descent). George Floyd was a black man, who was killed by a white police officer (so two systems of oppression overlapping) when white people make up 73% of the US population. Without me really getting into it, can your eloquent self see why there might be some tiny issues in comparing the two?
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