It’s a good point on Saudi. Just torpedo these idiots and bring in the best refs from around the world
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It’s having more and more influence. It needs be limited assuming they can’t bin it entirely
Incompetent fucks
Coupled with the slow, basic and subjective video playback it’s clearly a complete disaster.
They haven't made a real attempt to make it work or improve their decisions from what I've seen.
Looks more like they have sabotaged it and tried to make it hated.
PGMOL and Sky are destroying the Premier League.
I think - sabotage/ VAR works its the people that are an issue are easy answers for those who wanted VAR and don't want to row it back.
It is what it was always going to be dodgy decisions just get pushed up one level,people will feel more cheated as they expect perfection and it will take ages to get to that point.
Take the Red and non - Red cards last night. Would having someone else make decisions improve the outcome overall. Those who think decisions were right will now be unhappy and vise versa.
VAR will always take away more than it gives. Get rid.*
*If they truly can get offsides like GL technology and prove it works like they had to for GL bring it in
Apart from massive stoppages last night and sonnys goal ruled out with no proper angle to watch and poss caicedos goal too VAR wasnt main problem.
Olivers lack of interest in giving chelsea players a yrllow was shocking. I think they had 5 or 6 fouls some through back of our players before we commited a foul. Palace fulham the exact same. It raises temperatures and lets teams know they can get away with it.
Also the lack of yellow for sterlings diving is shocking. Bissouma only player to be booked for diving this season as fars ive seen
Olivers lack of interest in giving chelsea players a yrllow was shocking. I think they had 5 or 6 fouls some through back of our players before we commited a foul. Palace fulham the exact same. It raises temperatures and lets teams know they can get away with it.
Also the lack of yellow for sterlings diving is shocking. Bissouma only player to be booked for diving this season as fars ive seen
Yeah that’s fair. Sterling is a horrible little bastard
The big issue is they use the wording “clear and obvious error”
In Rugby they use it to help the officials make the right decision and he can still stick with his initial decision.
The wording in football just has so much room for grey areas. Almost seems deliberate but most likely just inept
It will never happen as I think the ship has already sailed, but other than goal line technology the whole existing VAR system should be binned. Put it down to an experiment that was worth a try but unless it goes back to the drawing board to be completely rewritten on both its use and interpretation, forget it.
Like many of us, I assumed it was going to be used for blatant offsides that had been missed by officials, or some howler of a mistake that had been made. But this forensic examination, and then taking an age to come to a decision, is beyond ridiculous now. I heard that twat Keown the other night (after the ball didn’t go out of play at Newcastle), saying they should consider cameras for the perimeter lines now. Where is it going to end? VAR checks every time the ball goes out to examine whose foot it came off? The real danger is that if it goes on like this, with even more complaining about decisions, it will just get worse and where will it end. Players can’t be trusted to place the ball in the quadrant for corners, they stand in front of the ball to stop quick free kicks being taken. Also, despite the introduction of shaving foam being sprayed to mark 10 yards, they still stand in front of the foam marking. You could count the number of times on one hand a throw in is taken from the right spot when the ball goes out, they all encroach as much as 10 yards in some cases. One of these types of incidents will lead to a goal and there will be calls starting again on more use of VAR. Or managers will say the offending players should have been booked for one of these infractions and so on and so on.
As Ange says, time and time again, we will never have a game of football that is perfect with every decision properly called and trying to strive for that is madness. It is the Klopps and Artetas of this world who believe they’re above all that and entitled to question everything. As long as it’s on the basis that the same level of scrutiny is never applied to their teams.
The other reason it is here to stay is because Sky, Talkshite and others have 24 hour schedules to fill and — despite what they may claim in order to try and look objective and balanced — wouldn’t have it any other way. They devote hours and hours to go through every decision and its consequence and then apply as much as they can in the way of controversy to get the callers and viewers to lap it up.
Like many of us, I assumed it was going to be used for blatant offsides that had been missed by officials, or some howler of a mistake that had been made. But this forensic examination, and then taking an age to come to a decision, is beyond ridiculous now. I heard that twat Keown the other night (after the ball didn’t go out of play at Newcastle), saying they should consider cameras for the perimeter lines now. Where is it going to end? VAR checks every time the ball goes out to examine whose foot it came off? The real danger is that if it goes on like this, with even more complaining about decisions, it will just get worse and where will it end. Players can’t be trusted to place the ball in the quadrant for corners, they stand in front of the ball to stop quick free kicks being taken. Also, despite the introduction of shaving foam being sprayed to mark 10 yards, they still stand in front of the foam marking. You could count the number of times on one hand a throw in is taken from the right spot when the ball goes out, they all encroach as much as 10 yards in some cases. One of these types of incidents will lead to a goal and there will be calls starting again on more use of VAR. Or managers will say the offending players should have been booked for one of these infractions and so on and so on.
As Ange says, time and time again, we will never have a game of football that is perfect with every decision properly called and trying to strive for that is madness. It is the Klopps and Artetas of this world who believe they’re above all that and entitled to question everything. As long as it’s on the basis that the same level of scrutiny is never applied to their teams.
The other reason it is here to stay is because Sky, Talkshite and others have 24 hour schedules to fill and — despite what they may claim in order to try and look objective and balanced — wouldn’t have it any other way. They devote hours and hours to go through every decision and its consequence and then apply as much as they can in the way of controversy to get the callers and viewers to lap it up.
Need to time limit VAR.
Call it in 60 seconds or the on field decision stands.
If it takes longer, it isn’t a clear and obvious error.
Call it in 60 seconds or the on field decision stands.
If it takes longer, it isn’t a clear and obvious error.
30 seconds and limited to one per team. Refs need to have some accountability for their mistakes
That's adding another reason to be pissed off about.
You don't get your correct decision because it was going to take 90seconds, you still have a delay and obvious errors still happen.
You know the speed of decison will benefit the normal suspects too.
Unpacking nine VAR checks in chaotic half of football
Former England defender Jamie Carragher called it "box office", while television commentator Peter Drury said it was "carnage and chaos".After a weekend of more managerial ranting about video assistant referees (VAR), on-field referee Michael Oliver and his boss Howard Webb were probably hoping for a quiet London derby.
No chance…
In 45 minutes - with an extra 12 minutes added on - there were numerous VAR interventions in Tottenham's match with Chelsea, including four disallowed goals, three red-card checks and two penalty checks.
The second half had more goals, albeit with slightly less mayhem as Nicolas Jackson scored a hat-trick in Chelsea's 4-1 win.
Mercifully, defeated Spurs manager Ange Postecoglou was measured with his post-match verdict, saying: "That utopia where there are no wrong decisions in the game will never exist. It's our own fault as we complain about decisions every week."
Here BBC Sport recaps all the major incidents, on yet another busy night for Premier League's scrutinised officials…
This is probably the best compromise at this point - better definition and regulation on how it operates to minimize the intrusiveness in the game.
The reality is VAR gets far more calls right than it buggers, and on the whole it reduces the number of incorrect decisions across a season. The problem is that it completely wrecks the flow of the game, especially when referees and linos are passive and leave VAR to officiate the match for them, and the underlying fact that 1/16th speed creates the false impression that everything is malicious and intentional.
Packing it in just isn't going to happen. There's £100Ms on the line with relegation, and multi-angle slow motion of every match stored online - if you remove VAR you'll have some club go to court and pay a room of analysts to review every match of the season and prove, rightly, that it was incompetent officiating that's cost them 9 figures of revenue. The toothpaste is out the tube.
Offsides needs to be fixed, stick sensors on the players and ball and be done with it. No more drawing lines on a screenshot like rank amateurs.
All replays should be shown at full speed only, only once a decision at full speed has been made about intent (such as the player reaching out or a full blooded tackle being made knowing the player is going to clatter the opponent) should freeze frames be shown to identify specifics such as in/out of the box, arm/shoulder, studs up/down.
All reviews should be limited to 60 seconds.
Lovely dig at the babies arteta and klopp
I'd love to give your thoughtful, intelligent post a thumbs up, but I can't, as I want rid of VAR completely. Let's get back to how 99.9% of people play the game - with a blind ref and 2 dopey linesmen.