It's been said before, but players are brought in and paid to train. Those that are up to the mark in the gaffer's eyes get selected for match day, which is the cherry on the cake for them, rather than a god-given entitlement.
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I'll agree with this. Poch has shown plenty of times he's willing to give players extra rope to bed in (Son, Lamela, Sissoko) and given young players an opportunity to step up and take on responsibility in the squad rather than buy in players over top of them (Kane, Dele, Winks). I believe Janssen will be a success somewhere, and wish him nothing but the best - but if Poch has frozen him out then there's clearly an issue we're not privy to.
Gut reaction was to disagree with you adamently....but then the stats...
16/17 Janssen - 20 starts 27 subs including 7/20 in the league.
14/15 Bobby - 18 starts 22 subs including 7/17 in the league.
Context is different I still think...but it's a fair comparison.
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Not sure about that. I think the quota allowed is 8 loan players. Definitely that is the rule for Championship /FL. Yet they have a restriction on the amount allowed to be selected in a team, 5 of the 8
The PL has no restriction on the amount fielded in a team
I think they had their quota last season, but got rid of or made permanent this.
I'm sure they only have 2 loans in, one being Krull.
I could be wrong on both though
Not sure on BHA's loan numbers and heading to dinner so not going to check - but the PL definitely has some restrictive loan rules.
Deadline day: How many loans are allowed?
If only that chance he missed with his weaker foot at home in his first game had gone in.
Could have had a different outcome.
He actually made a great run through the middle and looked very composed but curled it just wide.
Well we all knew he was still learning and it was a massive step up.
Could have had a different outcome.
He actually made a great run through the middle and looked very composed but curled it just wide.
Well we all knew he was still learning and it was a massive step up.
I wasn't aware of that. But how many you can have in a squad.
Are these new rules?
I'm sure West Ham signed 3 on loan last summer
Tore, Calleri and Zaza?
Edit: Oh so you can loan in 4 in a both windows 2 in each but more in one window if they are foreign ?
Seems a bit weird that you can't loan from English clubs more than 2 in a window but can loan the whole 4 in one if they are from overseas.
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And Watford had most of there team on loan a few seasons back, difference being from the Pozzo family and Udinese.
I reckon we'll be stuck with him for the duration of his contract. He's realised he's not good enough. He doesn't want to play anywhere else and have people continue to laugh at him. He's just gonna turn up to training everyday, go through the motions, probably get a bit chubbier, then invest his wages in property and he'll retire when his contract runs out with us.
A player who just the year previous scored 27 goals in the Eredivisie is going to pack it in at 23 to become a pudgy estate broker? You've lost the plot.
I honestly feel a meal is being made out of Vinny's situation - Poch may want rid, but Vinny has the right to seek a move he's happy and motivated with. FFS everyone is over in the Barkley thread sucking the crock off because he turned down chavs, to the immense ire of his employer, because it wasn't the move he wanted....but Vinny is a cunt for doing the same? Fickle lot.
For all the people who think Poch isn't being fair did you ever consider that Janssen might be as shit in training as he is in matches?
In many public training sessions people have come away saying Janssen had the best finishing out of anyone there and worked hard.
He could be shit for the other 365 days, but in public he's trained very well.
A lot of new posters who we've picked up/become active over the summer are shit =(
Lots of possible situations
Maybe people watching public training are as stupid as the average football fan
Maybe he does work hard and finish well but is unable to get into those shooting positions in matches that he does during drills
Maybe he does work hard and finish well but lacks other attributes to make his inclusion worthwhile
I mean really what signs have we seen so far for us that he'll come good?
I've never been one to downplay a player's contribution but we haven't seen much at all.
He isn't fast. His movement isn't anything to shout about.
His hold up play is overall weak, sometimes he does hold the ball well with his back to defenders and lay it off/play 1-2s (which you'd expect from any premier league striker who isn't pacey as bare minimum) but he's way more like to concede a foul (often unfairly as he does get wrestled a lot) or lose the ball immediately. His finishing hasn't been anything special. No noticeable vision or guile.
It was a loan move to a prem club where he would have been the main man - it would have given him playing time and the chance to show what he could do. I think most believe it would have been a sensible move.
I am particularly harsh on Janssen because I think he's been marginally better than Rasiak in terms of centre forward play, and as a big signing been given an easy ride because all the criticism has been aimed at Sissoko. I recall the shit that Dukebox took in the 90's - he was twice the player Janssen was. That said Vinny is only 23 - but for 20mill he needs to be showing something more (is he going to get the chance though)
Gut reaction was to disagree with you adamently....but then the stats...
16/17 Janssen - 20 starts 27 subs including 7/20 in the league.
14/15 Bobby - 18 starts 22 subs including 7/17 in the league.
Context is different I still think...but it's a fair comparison.
What irritated me was when Bobby scored a cracking goal against Everton which might have given him a bit of confidence Poch dropped him next game!
I'm sure he had his reasons etc but feel he was mistaken and Janssen for me just needs a bit of confidence
He has. I think the entire forum was unanimous on that during the pre-season+springLooking at him now I think he's lost weight
Thought so
So let's get behind him as his teammates clearly did when he scored from open play last season but I do believe a season's loan with a struggling PL side like Spam, Brighton or Newcastle would do him good