Amazon fly-on-the-wall documentary about Spurs

[Jenny Talia]

I reckon it is going to be more and more about Mourinho, less and less about Spurs.

Bottom line, for the wider football he is more interesting than we are as a club. I can't see people being gripped by will they/won't they get 5th.

 

[Nuts]

Loved that part where Mourinho said Lampard was “very focused” when Eriksen asked about him. Definite slap in the face and I loved it.

I missed that. Well spotted. Sort of jibe my dad used to aim at me.

 

[Johnboy40]

That writing a book is the equivalent in terms of letting in a TV camera into your changeroom for 10 months

Both break the "dressing room code". Just a matter of degree.

Unless someone is the kind of sad, spineless skidmark that's so feeble they feel need to have "internet enemies", its a fair, if not entirely accurate comparison. You cant write a tell all book and then complain that the dressing room sanctity is being impinged upon by the presence of a camera.

In fact, a camera is fairer. More chance of seeing both sides of an argument, even if you accept it may have been edited in favour of one party.

 

[Johnboy40]

I reckon it is going to be more and more about Mourinho, less and less about Spurs.

Bottom line, for the wider football he is more interesting than we are as a club. I can't see people being gripped by will they/won't they get 5th.

Yeah. Whatever one thinks of him (I can't stand him), he is box office

 

[Nutter-Naylor]

Well it was like that. Now we have problems. Big fucking problems. I'm not going in to that in a football chat. The figures aren't pointing in the right direction.

The utopian dream fades and dies.......

 

[ArcspacE]

Both break the "dressing room code". Just a matter of degree.

Not in my view but seeing you've made up your mind already - no point debating further whit someone who resorts to playground insults

 

[Johnboy40]

Not in my view but seeing you've made up your mind already - no point debating further

Thought you would say that.

In what way does writing, in a book, that a player came up to the coaching staff, in the dressing room and laughing at them (post a cup final loss) NOT break that unwritten code?

 

[ArcspacE]

Thought you would say that.

In what way does writing, in a book, that a player came up to the coaching staff, in the dressing room and laughing at them (post a cup final loss) NOT break that unwritten code?

Because a book leaves the reader to establish the emotional aspect of each scenes and character (thereby open for personal interpretation) - a heavily edited TV pushes a very specific narrative and agenda paid for and constructed by Levy and co.

 

[Johnboy40]

Because a book leaves the reader to establish the emotional aspect of each scenes and character (thereby open for personal interpretation) - a heavily edited TV pushes a very specific narrative and agenda paid for and constructed by Levy and co.

Ahhh. So despite zero knowledge of the agreement between Amazon & Spurs, or any of the various sporting institutions that have been subject to these documentaries, other than "Amazon pay money for access", you have decided that Levy has paid for editorial control?

Out of his own money or the clubs? Cos either way I doubt that either the worlds richest man, or the company that put him there , need the money that much.

Or is that your own personal interpretation?


In terms of the emotional aspect of the books v the TV, you are correct. The book does leave room for interpretation. However, by making the inner workings of the dressing room public, and open to that personal interpretation, it still breaks that unwritten code of "what happens in place x stays in place x". Just to a lesser degree.

 

[ArcspacE]

Ahhh. So despite zero knowledge of the agreement between Amazon & Spurs, or any of the various sporting institutions that have been subject to these documentaries, other than "Amazon pay money for access", you have decided that Levy has paid for editorial control?

Out of his own money or the clubs? Cos either way I doubt that either the worlds richest man, or the company that put him there , need the money that much.

Or is that your own personal interpretation?


In terms of the emotional aspect of the books v the TV, you are correct. The book does leave room for interpretation. However, by making the inner workings of the dressing room public, and open to that personal interpretation, it still breaks that unwritten code of "what happens in place x stays in place x". Just to a lesser degree.

If you honestly believe Levy hasn't vetoed every single minute of footage - you're living in lala land, mate

 

[Mrs Perryman]

That's not like you!

I'm like that whenever I perceive disrespect to my Club!

 

[Nutter-Naylor]

I'm like that whenever I perceive disrespect to my Club!

You would have been a hoolie back in the day if you were a bloke.

 

[Mrs Perryman]

You would have been a hoolie back in the day if you were a bloke.

You know me so well!

 

[Smogz]

The utopian dream fades and dies.......

This is OT, skip it. The dream feeds itself. In Sweden we have lots of state, county and municipality employed people. We also have received among the highest number of immigrants per capita in Europe for 10 years or more. These two groups wote socialistic because their livelihood depends on it. We have a naive wellfare system based on trust. And we are by law not allowed to co-run our different authority's systems so we can find the cheaters. We are really bad at integrating our immigrants such means almost all live on welfare. And we have a situation where the government is controlled by a small crazy environmental party with around 4% of the votes. The legal system seems to always judge according to the leanest penalties.
So now we have gang related violence out of control, half the population on welfare. And enough people depending on this system so that the ones in charge can stay in charge.

It has however come close enough to hell do there might be a change in the next election.

End OT rant. Sorry about that

 

[Mick Cooper]

This is OT, skip it. The dream feeds itself. In Sweden we have lots of state, county and municipality employed people. We also have received among the highest number of immigrants per capita in Europe for 10 years or more. These two groups wote socialistic because their livelihood depends on it. We have a naive wellfare system based on trust. And we are by law not allowed to co-run our different authority's systems so we can find the cheaters. We are really bad at integrating our immigrants such means almost all live on welfare. And we have a situation where the government is controlled by a small crazy environmental party with around 4% of the votes. The legal system seems to always judge according to the leanest penalties.
So now we have gang related violence out of control, half the population on welfare. And enough people depending on this system so that the ones in charge can stay in charge.

It has however come close enough to hell do there might be a change in the next election.

End OT rant. Sorry about that

dont apologise, some people need to wake up to the realities of life

 

[Nutter-Naylor]

This is OT, skip it. The dream feeds itself. In Sweden we have lots of state, county and municipality employed people. We also have received among the highest number of immigrants per capita in Europe for 10 years or more. These two groups wote socialistic because their livelihood depends on it. We have a naive wellfare system based on trust. And we are by law not allowed to co-run our different authority's systems so we can find the cheaters. We are really bad at integrating our immigrants such means almost all live on welfare. And we have a situation where the government is controlled by a small crazy environmental party with around 4% of the votes. The legal system seems to always judge according to the leanest penalties.
So now we have gang related violence out of control, half the population on welfare. And enough people depending on this system so that the ones in charge can stay in charge.

It has however come close enough to hell do there might be a change in the next election.

End OT rant. Sorry about that

Good luck. A shit storm is brewing.

 

[Jenny Talia]

This is OT, skip it. The dream feeds itself. In Sweden we have lots of state, county and municipality employed people. We also have received among the highest number of immigrants per capita in Europe for 10 years or more. These two groups wote socialistic because their livelihood depends on it. We have a naive wellfare system based on trust. And we are by law not allowed to co-run our different authority's systems so we can find the cheaters. We are really bad at integrating our immigrants such means almost all live on welfare. And we have a situation where the government is controlled by a small crazy environmental party with around 4% of the votes. The legal system seems to always judge according to the leanest penalties.
So now we have gang related violence out of control, half the population on welfare. And enough people depending on this system so that the ones in charge can stay in charge.

It has however come close enough to hell do there might be a change in the next election.

End OT rant. Sorry about that

Couldn't this go in one of the political threads? I didn't come to this thread for a lecture on communism.

 

[Rocket]

Couldn't this go in one of the political threads? I didn't come to this thread for a lecture on communism.

To be fair he did mark the post as OT and advised to skip it.

Seems like about 3 weeks since those 1st 3 episodes aired. I want more Mourinho! (and shots of Tanguy eating)

 

[Kristeva]

Absolutely.
But, not dissing the original poster, look at the title of this thread:
Amazon fly-on-the-wall documentary about Spurs

I have noticed posters talking quite extensively about certain reaction shots of players and analysing their meaning.
So , with Serge Aurier, we see Mourinho telling him, in front of all the players, that - I paraphrase - he's afraid Serge will give away a shit VAR penalty when he's marking in our box. (About 20 minutes into Ep2.)
There are a couple of reaction shots of Serge looking taken aback and shocked at what Mourinho has just said.
There's also a reaction shot of a group of players. Kane and Verts look surprised at Mourinho's bluntness. Dele smiles like a kid.
Now, I hope all those reaction shots genuinely happened at that time.
But given it looks like a single camera shoot much of the time, I'm pretty confident a couple of those close-ups of Serge are not his direct reaction to Mourinho's words, which are delivered either in a wide shot or laid under a close-up of Serge. They're probably filmed a little later in the team talk, when the director & DoP realise the Mourinho-Serge exchange is the highlight and they'll need more cutaways to edit the sequence.
All of this is standard documentary making practice. It would be incompetent of the Amazon team not to get those extra shots.
But we are also trusting the filmmakers that they accurately depict the reactions of all concerned.
In this case, I suspect they probably do.

This is OT, skip it. The dream feeds itself. In Sweden we have lots of state, county and municipality employed people. We also have received among the highest number of immigrants per capita in Europe for 10 years or more. These two groups wote socialistic because their livelihood depends on it. We have a naive wellfare system based on trust. And we are by law not allowed to co-run our different authority's systems so we can find the cheaters. We are really bad at integrating our immigrants such means almost all live on welfare. And we have a situation where the government is controlled by a small crazy environmental party with around 4% of the votes. The legal system seems to always judge according to the leanest penalties.
So now we have gang related violence out of control, half the population on welfare. And enough people depending on this system so that the ones in charge can stay in charge.

It has however come close enough to hell do there might be a change in the next election.

End OT rant. Sorry about that

And I'm guessing high taxation?

 

[Johnboy40]

If you honestly believe Levy hasn't vetoed every single minute of footage - you're living in lala land, mate

I didnt say that. I said I dont believe he's paid for editorial control.Which is what you said.

The club will have a certain amount of editorial control, of course, to ensure that commercially sensitive, or business critical material doesn't get broadcast.

I would suggest that the contract amazon offer for these shows is pretty much the except in how much they offer .

The idea that Levy has either
A) paid for extra editorial control to make himself look good
B) used the editorial veto the club does have to make himself look good

Is bloody daft, if you actually think about it

Anyway, back to the point. How is publishing a book giving details of dressing room shenanigans not breaking the unwritten "what happens in the dressing room stays in the dressing room" rule?