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So am I but for fucks sake it's his first week. He's basically had one or two sessions between joining and the two Thursday and Sunday games.
I’ve got nothing against Conte
I’ve said we need to change out 6 players at least starting in January

Others seem to think he can make some of these players into something. He can’t, because they aren’t good enough and never will be.

That’s why he will buy new ones because he too knows this
 
Good analysis from Micah Richards, too many of our players walking about when we're attacking, just completely lacking the desire to get the ball to feet, find a pocket of space to receive the ball and have that intensity to really take control of the attacking play. Just a bunch of sheep waiting for the sheep dog to get their asses into gear
They had an intense game Thursday night. These bozos can’t play 2 games a week. They were probably knackered.
 
Was it really?

Watford spanked that mob and they went down tamely to Wolves last week, I want to know why every time we come to town every team is suddenly bang up for it, I'm leaning towards us just being shit.

Totally not Conte's fault though, he needs time. It's the players that need to go at this point, massive clear out incoming with any luck.
Considering how shit the team is, it is a good point. As long as we keep picking up some points until the transfer window and then have big changes in january , they are all good points. If anyone between levy and conte thinks the same cunts will become a top 4 team, then we are fucked.
 
I'm getting fed up with the shots "on target" stat.
Who had the better chances?
If we use that stat, Everton were as they had 2 shots on target to our none.
If you look AT the shots however it tells a different story. Ben Godfrey from fully 25 along the carpet at such a slow pace Lloris could smoked a fag and poured a glass of wine before picking up. The other was a scuffed volley from outside the box that might not even have made it as far as the goal. Yay shots on target, bet their fans were ecstatic with that.
Meanwhile, Royal header inside the 6 yard box at point blank range over, Reguilon volley inside the 6 yard box just wide, Davies with a curler leaving the keeper no chance just wide, GLG off the post with the keeper beat.
How exactly have we got to s stage where utterly fucking pitiful shots are somehow a measure of how a teams attacking prowess. How can anyone be looking at the two teams yesterday and say Everton had better chances than us when they didn't ever look like scoring. They had no chances that made me puff my cheeks out. They didn't look like they'd have even scored the penalty tbh.

I'm not one to lean on it, but xG says something different 0.52 Vs 0.78
Neither brilliant but it shows we had chances in better positions and just missed. More of that please, rather than pointless long rangers to keep the keepers hands warm.
 
Having slept on it, I feel that as a team we started to show a bit more of the evelebty I know we possess. Two exceptions to that were Kane & Reguilon. I expect disagrees but, for differing reasons, I wasn't impressed with either of them. For the short time he was on (can hardly believe I'm going to type this) I was more comfortable with Doherty than Reguilon.

Overall, I thought the team pressed really well, displayed a great deal of quick, one-touch stuff, and passed the ball so much better than on Thursday. If we'd have had our old scoring boots on, we could have stuffed them - but we don't get goals these days, do we?
 
Having slept on it, I feel that as a team we started to show a bit more of the evelebty I know we possess. Two exceptions to that were Kane & Reguilon. I expect disagrees but, for differing reasons, I wasn't impressed with either of them. For the short time he was on (can hardly believe I'm going to type this) I was more comfortable with Doherty than Reguilon.

Overall, I thought the team pressed really well, displayed a great deal of quick, one-touch stuff, and passed the ball so much better than on Thursday. If we'd have had our old scoring boots on, we could have stuffed them - but we don't get goals these days, do we?

There were some passing passages in the middle in the 2nd half that had me open my eyes a little bit. Mainly because I don't think I've seen us do it for years. The problem is, we opened up space and the screwed up the last pass and no one player was consistent in doing it. Saw Kane, Son, PEH and others all fail to see the best pass or make a total mess of it. I thought Royal and Reguilon were pushing up, hugging the line and not getting the ball too often.

On a side, note, I wish it was Richarlson who was in trouble rather than Siggy, he's such a total c**t. That coming together with Romero was so staged, he put his head in first them threw himself on the floor.
 
I'm getting fed up with the shots "on target" stat.
Who had the better chances?
If we use that stat, Everton were as they had 2 shots on target to our none.
If you look AT the shots however it tells a different story. Ben Godfrey from fully 25 along the carpet at such a slow pace Lloris could smoked a fag and poured a glass of wine before picking up. The other was a scuffed volley from outside the box that might not even have made it as far as the goal. Yay shots on target, bet their fans were ecstatic with that.
Meanwhile, Royal header inside the 6 yard box at point blank range over, Reguilon volley inside the 6 yard box just wide, Davies with a curler leaving the keeper no chance just wide, GLG off the post with the keeper beat.
How exactly have we got to s stage where utterly fucking pitiful shots are somehow a measure of how a teams attacking prowess. How can anyone be looking at the two teams yesterday and say Everton had better chances than us when they didn't ever look like scoring. They had no chances that made me puff my cheeks out. They didn't look like they'd have even scored the penalty tbh.

I'm not one to lean on it, but xG says something different 0.52 Vs 0.78
Neither brilliant but it shows we had chances in better positions and just missed. More of that please, rather than pointless long rangers to keep the keepers hands warm.
It's the new " trophies" schtick...
 
I'm getting fed up with the shots "on target" stat.
Who had the better chances?
If we use that stat, Everton were as they had 2 shots on target to our none.
If you look AT the shots however it tells a different story. Ben Godfrey from fully 25 along the carpet at such a slow pace Lloris could smoked a fag and poured a glass of wine before picking up. The other was a scuffed volley from outside the box that might not even have made it as far as the goal. Yay shots on target, bet their fans were ecstatic with that.
Meanwhile, Royal header inside the 6 yard box at point blank range over, Reguilon volley inside the 6 yard box just wide, Davies with a curler leaving the keeper no chance just wide, GLG off the post with the keeper beat.
How exactly have we got to s stage where utterly fucking pitiful shots are somehow a measure of how a teams attacking prowess. How can anyone be looking at the two teams yesterday and say Everton had better chances than us when they didn't ever look like scoring. They had no chances that made me puff my cheeks out. They didn't look like they'd have even scored the penalty tbh.

I'm not one to lean on it, but xG says something different 0.52 Vs 0.78
Neither brilliant but it shows we had chances in better positions and just missed. More of that please, rather than pointless long rangers to keep the keepers hands warm.
For sure. You could hit the woodwork a dozen times but that would still be trumped by a feeble effort straight at the keeper
 
I'm getting fed up with the shots "on target" stat.
Who had the better chances?
If we use that stat, Everton were as they had 2 shots on target to our none.
If you look AT the shots however it tells a different story. Ben Godfrey from fully 25 along the carpet at such a slow pace Lloris could smoked a fag and poured a glass of wine before picking up. The other was a scuffed volley from outside the box that might not even have made it as far as the goal. Yay shots on target, bet their fans were ecstatic with that.
Meanwhile, Royal header inside the 6 yard box at point blank range over, Reguilon volley inside the 6 yard box just wide, Davies with a curler leaving the keeper no chance just wide, GLG off the post with the keeper beat.
How exactly have we got to s stage where utterly fucking pitiful shots are somehow a measure of how a teams attacking prowess. How can anyone be looking at the two teams yesterday and say Everton had better chances than us when they didn't ever look like scoring. They had no chances that made me puff my cheeks out. They didn't look like they'd have even scored the penalty tbh.

I'm not one to lean on it, but xG says something different 0.52 Vs 0.78
Neither brilliant but it shows we had chances in better positions and just missed. More of that please, rather than pointless long rangers to keep the keepers hands warm.
Totally agree...
I'm still not sure I believe how a shot onto the post isn't 'on target' ....'cos if it goes IN off the post (as opposed to bounce out) are you telling me that the all important stats would read;
1 Goal scored/0 Shots on target??
It's ridiculous!
If it beats the 'keeper and goes wide, I get it, the 'keeper is protecting his goal, and probably has his angles right... but if beats the 'keeper, but hits the post, whether it goes in or out, it's a posts' width of the FRAME of the goal... which is, by all accounts is THE target!
 
Totally agree...
I'm still not sure I believe how a shot onto the post isn't 'on target' ....'cos if it goes IN off the post (as opposed to bounce out) are you telling me that the all important stats would read;
1 Goal scored/0 Shots on target??
It's ridiculous!
If it beats the 'keeper and goes wide, I get it, the 'keeper is protecting his goal, and probably has his angles right... but if beats the 'keeper, but hits the post, whether it goes in or out, it's a posts' width of the FRAME of the goal... which is, by all accounts is THE target!
Maybe your answer's there in your post? If the ball goes in or has to be cleared/saved, it's on target, but if it bounces out, it's not on target?
 
Maybe your answer's there in your post? If the ball goes in or has to be cleared/saved, it's on target, but if it bounces out, it's not on target?
But it still hits the frame of the goal.... which IS the target, whether it has more spin/and or a deflection to help it go in is missing the point. If the keeper misses it, and it hits the post, how is he to know it WON'T bounce in... He doesn't know the trajectory or spin on the ball, only the direction... If it beats the keeper and goes IN Off the post OR bounces away, it has already beaten the keeper to hit the target... The rest is up to physics!

A shot that HITS the frame of the goal IS a shot on target, surely? That's whY the keeper is there, to protect his goal: net AND frame!

...and if so, then the 0 shots on target stat was wrong yesterday!

As someone already said, a daisy cutter at a snails' pace that Hugo picks up blindfolded and doesn't particularly bother anyone DOES count a s a shot on target (and adds to the all important Monday morning Opta/xG co-efficient FIFA Pro stats) ...yet a shot that strikes the post of the FRAME of the TARGET, giving us ALL that brief moment of "it's in", doesn't count as a shot on target just 'cos it bounces out?

I feel like Annie Wilkes in Misery.... Am I the only cock a doody person that can SEE THIS?
s'a bit weird, thass all!
 
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the 0 shots on target stat was wrong yesterday
There's also the question of blocked shots. If an attempt on goal is cleared off the line it clearly counts as "on target" but where is the boundary? Edge of the six-yard box? The much-maligned Regui had a great shot that was flying in the top corner but was well blocked by a defender standing near the penalty spot, that doesn't count apparently.
 
But it still hits the frame of the goal.... which IS the target, whether it has more spin/and or a deflection to help it go in is missing the point.

A shot that HITS the frame of the goal IS a shot on target, surely?

...and if so, then the 0 shots on target stat was wrong yesterday!

As someone already said, a daisy cutter at a snails' pace that Hugo picks up blindfolded and doesn't particularly bother anyone DOES count a s a shot on target (and adds to the all important Monday morning Opta/xG co-efficient FIFA Pro stats) ...yet a shot that strikes the post of the FRAME of the TARGET, giving us ALL that brief moment of "it's in", doesn't count as a shot on target just 'cos it bounces out?

s'a bit weird, thass all!
No - the frame of the goal isn't the target. It's the area inside the frame of the goal that's the target, so my last post was correct - and Gio's shot, excellent as it nearly was, wasn't on target.

:contesmile:
 
Shots on target may not be everything, but when you’re not getting a single one for as long as we have in the league, something is very clearly wrong.
I disagree because we had really good chances yesterday.
The xG of 0.52 for Everton could well have been more like 0.0 if not for 2 pathetic shots on target.
We got into fantastic positions to score yesterday, especially those 2 fullback chances in the 6 yard box. That means more than simply registering a shot on target to me.
 
Having slept on it, I feel that as a team we started to show a bit more of the evelebty I know we possess. Two exceptions to that were Kane & Reguilon. I expect disagrees but, for differing reasons, I wasn't impressed with either of them. For the short time he was on (can hardly believe I'm going to type this) I was more comfortable with Doherty than Reguilon.

Overall, I thought the team pressed really well, displayed a great deal of quick, one-touch stuff, and passed the ball so much better than on Thursday. If we'd have had our old scoring boots on, we could have stuffed them - but we don't get goals these days, do we?

I am glad I wasn’t the only one that’s heard him say it a couple of times, I thought I was going mad!

What does it mean!?!?
 
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