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Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window

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Bingo, and to be clear, “take Newcastle further” meaning “continue to ride the upward tide of PL club valuations”. The business was in decline, and in five more years he’d be stuck in the Champo selling for even less.

You’re not wrong to point out that it would take two to tango and ENIC needs a buyer at a (justifiably) very high price point.

And of course, this is Daniel Levy we’re talking about. If he can’t get Dybala’s image rights over the line, he’ll never get pen to paper on selling the whole club.

But we’re in exactly the same position, from a higher platform.

If this is how the club is going to be run, the best price Levy will ever get for the club is today’s, followed by tomorrow’s, and so on.

And I don’t doubt the cunt will love playing the villain to the fanbase, but my point there is just to observe that it hasn’t even begun yet. Looking at Spurs through an internet lens obscures that.
ENIC are in until the ESL comes to fruition, or it becomes clear to them and not some rube that Tottenham aren't getting in. That's why Levy was working overtime to get the ESL ramped up last year. That's when the value get maximized.

Other than that, football is plateauing in value in general - which is the only reason Ashley sold, in the end. The easy money (ESL notwithstanding) has been made, there's better markets now.
 
ENIC are in until the ESL comes to fruition, or it becomes clear to them and not some rube that Tottenham aren't getting in. That's was working overtime to get the ESL ramped up last year. That's when the value get maximized.

Other than that, football is plateauing in value in general - which is the only reason Ashley sold, in the end. The easy money (ESL notwithstanding) has been made, there's better markets now.
Yup, agreed on all of that.

Football is too beautiful to live.
 
Levy wouldn’t have sold any of them.

But the moment I’m specifically talking about was in the beginning of the 2017-18 season when they realized they had struck gold with Salah.

At Spurs that Barcelona interest in Coutinho would have been a project-derailing crisis, at it was this summer with Kane. Liverpool saw the opportunity and acted decisively (VVD was signed on January 1 and Coutinho was off a week later) and doubled down with massive expenditure the following summer when their CL run showed the proof of concept.

It’s not windswept football romance or blind obedience to fan demands. It was a correct calculation that they were on the doorstep of major success in a rare, fleeting way, and that 100-odd million net expenditure would pay back 10X easily if the bet came good.

Good business sense well executed. We were in exactly the same position in May 2017, made different choices, and ENIC has and will continue to absorb the financial cost of that failure.
I have to agree with this. We could have sold one of Eriksen or Dele in 2017 and the other in 2018 and refreshed the squad. However, would we have spent the money wisely?

Which is really the crux of the issue. If we had proper scouting, the money we spent on Tanguy and Lo Celso might have gone for players that actually made a difference. And in spite of the fact that we didn't cash in on some of our better players in earlier years, we'd be in a much better position now than we currently are.
 
Arguably no so....... We finished 2nd and had more points than that in 16/17.



Yet despite this - notably the trigger to all today's LIverpool talk - their fans up kicking off about them not investing enough..... Again.



Mate; my posts on this matter haven't been some mass defence of ENIC.

I just don't see FSGs opps as having been that different.

Absolutely mistakes have been made, but if we'd have got over the line in 15/16, 16/17 or the CL final things would have been very different story and we wouldn't be reflecting on much of this.


We were 7 points off in 16/17, they were 2 points off. Their title charge went down to the wire whereas ours was a faint ember.

Liverpool fans are a moany bunch, and FSG aren't perfect for sure. I know you're not putting up a big defence of ENIC, but I do think there's clearly a big gap between how well Liverpool have been ran, and what ENIC have done with us.

And let's be honest, we weren't close in 15/16 (finished 3rd!!) and 16/17 was a little closer but still not really a challenge. The CL final was a dream but was still a cup run, the bottom line is Liverpool have won a league and had 2 bonafide challenges for it, whilst also reaching 2 CL finals and winning one.

If FSG offered to buy our club tomorrow, would you rather them or ENIC? Because it's an obvious choice for me, and I think that says it all. They'd invest to get us to a certain level (and invest better than we have been) and then run us profitably.
 
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We were 7 points off in 16/17, they were 2 points off. Their title charge went down to the wire whereas ours was a faint ember.

Well that's the argument... Depends what metric one is concerned with.....

Certainly felt like a real challenge at the time.

Liverpool fans are a moany bunch, and FSG aren't perfect for sure. I know you're not putting up a big defence of ENIC, but I do think there's clearly a big gap between how well Liverpool have been ran, and what ENIC have done with us.

And let's be honest, we weren't close in 15/16 (finished 3rd!!) and 16/17 was a little closer but still not really a challenge. The CL final was a dream but was still a cup run, the bottom line is Liverpool have won a league and had 2 bonafide challenges for it, whilst also winning the CL.

If FSG offered to buy our club tomorrow, would you rather them or ENIC? Because it's an obvious choice for me, and I think that says it all. They'd invest to get us to a certain level (and invest better than we have been) and then run us profitably.

I whole-heartedly share in that sentiment over the last few years.

By the end of next summer; I may well tend to share in the rest. It's crunch time.
 
Well that's the argument... Depends what metric one is concerned with.....

Certainly felt like a real challenge at the time.



I whole-heartedly share in that sentiment over the last few years.

By the end of next summer; I may well tend to share in the rest. It's crunch time.

We were always a step behind tbh. We were a very good team in 16/17 but Chelsea always had a big lead and we were chasing. Liverpool's challenge actually had them beating City and going first with only a few games to go, before the Gerrard slip. And then it eventually went down to the final matchday.

And yes, crunch time indeed, it's last chance saloon for ENIC to fix our recruitment .. and they haven't exactly made a good start of it with the summer transfers. I'll give them a pass for Jan as it's a tough market, but if we have a crap summer then it'll be a disgrace.
 
We were always a step behind tbh. We were a very good team in 16/17 but Chelsea always had a big lead and we were chasing. Liverpool's challenge actually had them beating City and going first with only a few games to go, before the Gerrard slip. And then it eventually went down to the final matchday.

And yes, crunch time indeed, it's last chance saloon for ENIC to fix our recruitment .. and they haven't exactly made a good start of it with the summer transfers. I'll give them a pass for Jan as it's a tough market, but if we have a crap summer then it'll be a disgrace.

......My concern would be that without something impactful this Jan; there'll be too much to do in the summer.

Levy, Hitch & Fab making a real rod for their back here.
 
......My concern would be that without something impactful this Jan; there'll be too much to do in the summer.

Levy, Hitch & Fab making a real rod for their back here.

It's an issue, but at the same time I don't want us to be overpaying hugely for mediocrity just because we've hit the panic button. If the plan is genuinely to get to the summer and do a proper clear out then I'm all for it and can be patient. The problem is I don't believe that really, we'll probably end up being just as ponderous no matter the window.

If somehow Conte can scrape top 4 with this bunch + a couple of Jan signings, then we'd be in a great position to do that. Would be one hell of an achievement for him, albeit one assisted by the ineptitude of other sides.
 
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