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Supporters The Y Word
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Racially aggravated offences are not strict liability, I.e. they require the mens rea to be proven as well being all reasonable doubt in order to successfully prosecute. So it would need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt that someone using the Y word intended to offend when chanting it.
I don’t use it as I’ve never identified with it, but the hypocrisy of these articles which never discuss the hissing from West Ham supporters or the version of ‘Ossie’s dream’ Chelsea fans love to sing is disgusting.
I don’t use it as I’ve never identified with it, but the hypocrisy of these articles which never discuss the hissing from West Ham supporters or the version of ‘Ossie’s dream’ Chelsea fans love to sing is disgusting.
The only things worse are
1) The FA wanting to ban the victims of it
2) The CPR wanting to prosecute the victims of it
3) The media ignoring it for all the years I have watched Spurs
The similarity I guess is that we're talking about people identifying with a group of people they're not... Is a non Jewish spurs fan using the Y-Word as bad as a white bloke 'blacking up' and saying they're "in solidarity" with the black community? Of COURSE not!
Difference being, I've yet to see a group of black friends hanging out with their white mate who is blacked up in 'solidarity'!!!!!!! (Unless they're mates of David Baddeil!)
It simply wouldn't happen.
Yet week on week, SPURS Fans who are Jews, non-Jews, ATHEISTS stand side-by-side, using the same term, in SOLIDARITY of both the team we support, and (for certain people using it) to help prise it back from the anti Semites, into its original meaning as a TERM OF ENDEARMENT!
You may as well say that BEING black, or Asian is inciting racism... Cos the racists hate ANYONE of colour!
Using the word Yid is not turning people into anti Semites, for the same reason it's not making anti Semites be anti Semitic...
They already were, and probably always will be!
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I find it incredible that the hissing and Auschwitz chants still continue in this day and age. Where is Kick it Out in condemnation of these chants? Why aren’t the media all over it like they are, and rightly so, when racist chanting is directed to our English players?
At best the FA and EPL are blind to anti-Semitism, and at worst harbour members with anti-Semitic sentiments themselves. This is what needs to be addressed, not Jewish and non-Jewish Spurs fans singing in a rousing display of solidarity and defiance against anti-Semitism.
At best the FA and EPL are blind to anti-Semitism, and at worst harbour members with anti-Semitic sentiments themselves. This is what needs to be addressed, not Jewish and non-Jewish Spurs fans singing in a rousing display of solidarity and defiance against anti-Semitism.
Yes bought up by the likes of Baddiel and all other Chelsea press who fail to report the hissing and gas the yid songs.
Woolwich fan on a string.
Oh The do gooders moaned about that.
How about Sol Sol.
Maybe not
Yeahhhh, but they won today. So they win that n'all!
Goons have similar though ever so slightly less Jewish support than us, so the joke/insult really is on them. Dim bunch of cunts.
Silly wokism trying to stop us from enjoying some tradition with zero harmful intent. Bog off I say!
A few years ago when this debate came up again someone on twitter wrote a piece on why we started using it, explaining what it was like on the terraces before we adopted the term. This was reshared a couple of months ago when the debate arose again. It was pretty much a full one page summary that was really well written. I don't suppose anyone remembers who this was? I have a couple of mates that don't understand why we sing it etc and rather than go into it myself I'd rather just show them that!
Just a quick reminder that this is the guy telling you off for saying the word "yid".
Baddiel is a fucking cretin.
Baddiel is a fucking cretin.
If anyone needs to have their head kicked in, it's that sanctimonious cunt.
A thoroughly loathsome individual, the police need to check his hard drive.
Sure i read once that even Rob Newman hates him.
It makes so much sense that he is a Chelsea fan.
Southampton are right behind Chelsea & West Ham mate. In each of our games against them for the past 5yrs or so they have banned at least one supporter for Nazi salutes!!
Southampton fans who directed Nazi salutes at Spurs game are banned
Two Southampton fans who 'hissed' and directed Nazi salutes at Tottenham supporters during a game at St Mary's have been banned from attending matches for three years.
Southampton fans accused of anti-Semitic chants during win over Spurs
Southampton supporters have been hit with allegations of anti-Semitism for chants sung during their 2-1 comeback win over Tottenham Hotspur.
www.joe.co.uk
Southampton aid police enquiry into claims fans played anti-Semitic songs after Tottenham loss
SOUTHAMPTON have launched an urgent probe into claims Saints fans played anti-Semitic songs after their FA Cup defeat at Spurs. At least three fans were accused of using their phones to play clips …
www.thesun.co.uk
Southampton investigate alleged anti-Semitic chanting during Tottenham game
Southampton are looking into a claim of anti-Semitic chanting during Saturdays Premier League game against Tottenham at St Mary’s, Sky Sports News understands.
All the above are different games, different years. Many more examples.
They really are vile aren't they?Southampton are right behind Chelsea & West Ham mate. In each of our games against them for the past 5yrs or so they have banned at least one supporter for Nazi salutes!!
Southampton fans who directed Nazi salutes at Spurs game are banned
Two Southampton fans who 'hissed' and directed Nazi salutes at Tottenham supporters during a game at St Mary's have been banned from attending matches for three years.www.dailymail.co.uk
Southampton fans accused of anti-Semitic chants during win over Spurs
Southampton supporters have been hit with allegations of anti-Semitism for chants sung during their 2-1 comeback win over Tottenham Hotspur.Southampton aid police enquiry into claims fans played anti-Semitic songs after Tottenham loss
SOUTHAMPTON have launched an urgent probe into claims Saints fans played anti-Semitic songs after their FA Cup defeat at Spurs. At least three fans were accused of using their phones to play clips …Southampton investigate alleged anti-Semitic chanting during Tottenham game
Southampton are looking into a claim of anti-Semitic chanting during Saturdays Premier League game against Tottenham at St Mary’s, Sky Sports News understands.www.skysports.com
All the above are different games, different years. Many more examples.
So much for the 'friendly, Family club' myth... They're right cunts!
Their fans are probably loving the fact they've got an Austrian in charge!!
This is me!!
But I'm also very much aware that the Jewish community (that's Jewish Spurs fans) remain split on this. Anecdotally I think that Jewish Spurs fans who go to games seem to be more supportive or less offended than those that don't. New Spurs fans from the US for example probably haven't felt how welcoming or nonjudgemental Spurs fans are. I'd argue that in no Club in the English pyramid would a Jewish fan attend a football match wearing a skull cap would feel so welcome than at WHL, quite the opposite in almost all other stadia. That's by no means an attempt on my part to lessen the voice or opinion of Jewish Spurs fans that don't attend games, they still have a more important voice in this debate than me (a non-Jew)
As a non-Jewish (non-religious to be specific) person I do not want to cause offence to anyone, in fact, quite the opposite, when I sing it I take on the identity of a Jewish person and metaphorically stand with them in the face of anti-semitism (I'd like to think I'd do the same for any form of discrimination no matter the denomination).
I do think there is a massive opportunity here to make a very, very big statement from us Spurs fans and that's to change the word used from "Yid" to "Jew".
We sang it in France and we sang it in Spain,
we sang in the sun and we sang in the rain,
they tried to stop us and make it taboo,
because the thing I love most is being a Jew.
Whilst Ajax comes under pressure too, it is a million miles off from the pressure that we come under, the sole reason is that they don't use the word "Yid" they use "Jew".
We don't have to lose any of our songs, any of the perceived identity, we just change the word. At the same time, it's unequivocal that by adopting it there is zero racial slur on our part, no way it can be confused with anything other than supporting those that are abused. It reemphasises that slurs are about context unless of course by us choosing to use the word "Jew" idiots actually want that word banned!
I of course hold my hands up at this point to seek approval from Jewish Spurs fans as in the ignorance I may have completely overlooked something that could also cause offence to some.
Funnily enough I was thinking the same yesterday.
Just replace the word Yid with Jew and tweak the 'thing I love most' song - job done.