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Nah this is a cop out and you're just letting the players and managers off the hook. How comes we've had the players who have managed to qualify for the CL 5 times out of the last 7 seasons for example and yet in that time not lift up a trophy? In that time there's been 2 title challenges as well...
So either of those things don't require a tougher mentality, you don't play at a higher technical level when you're competing to qualify in the CL? Because our players seemed pretty good at that.
As I said ENIC are to blame as well as the staff, ENIC aren't going out there telling the players to miss penalties, they aren't going out there telling the managers to pick wingers at wing back etc...They aren't going out there telling the team to not score goals in finals.
They did sack a manager who is known for winning cups 6 days before a cup final, that they can be blamed for which weirdly ENIC don't cop as much flak as they should from our fanbase, probably because it was Mourinho but hey ho...
It's a collective thing, as long as people are happy to admit that the club have progressed under ENIC's reign due to the managers and players and staff they've hired then you gotta keep the same energy for when the club fucks up.
True. If a business continues to fail/fall short over 2 decades it’s on the owners. You don’t just say “well, the employees didn’t get it done, nothing to do with us”.
How would you want them to do that?
No one was let off the hook they were all sacked and most of the players have been sold or have left?
If managers coming into the club get told top four, the level of each achievement bonus reflect that, the same for a player, when it comes down to the end of the season, fatigue is setting in, the squad and quality of it is small, those league games are going take preference even subconsciously. The ENIC ethos is top four above all else, that seems obvious to me, when we look short of that, investment seems to come. That mentality has seeped into the whole club.
As owners of historically one of the biggest, best supported and, up until 2000, most decorated clubs in the country, ENIC have failed miserably where it matters most. On the damned football pitch.
They openly stated their aim. To create a global sporting / entertainment empire with a NFL franchise as the icing on the cake..
We were / are just the vehicle used to reach their goal.
As a result, meaningful investment in the football team remains lacking, the,dusty old trophy cabinet remains empty, and Spurs remain the butt of jokes for the wider footballing community.
Just a shame some of our fans find this perfectly acceptable
They openly stated their aim. To create a global sporting / entertainment empire with a NFL franchise as the icing on the cake..
We were / are just the vehicle used to reach their goal.
As a result, meaningful investment in the football team remains lacking, the,dusty old trophy cabinet remains empty, and Spurs remain the butt of jokes for the wider footballing community.
Just a shame some of our fans find this perfectly acceptable
im saying they would accept that internally they wouldn’t want people blaming those under them.
But if you’re talking about what we can see, then backing mangers properly when we are close not just making them ride out the top four wave. Actually looking at semi/final defeats and saying okay what can we do differently as a club, there is a pattern, we actually have the power to properly effect it. They are obviously not bothered and to be honest neither am i anymore. The ENIC experience is not going to go anywhere apart from £2b profit at the end of it. Just a waiting game now.
It will be interesting to see what Woolwich do in the next couple of windows will they try and add to the momentum they are building or will they just sit on their hands. I know what ENIC would do.
Most of the football fans I meet who have been to the stadium compliment me on the size of the stadium, the incredible noise the south stand makes and some even our amazing Michelin level dining experiences.
Not forgetting of course the fact we have the biggest megastore in the world. That always brings out the envy.
Trophies at this point would just be the icing on our frankly fucking enormous cake.
#indonlevywetrust
Well said mate, the club never takes advantage of momentum, it has been seen a number of times over the years missed opportunities.
I think we are playing the waiting game now, just need a big hitter to come and buy the club there are people out there.
I would imagine the next owners will be American, especially as we have the best NFL stadium outside the US.
League games will always take priority over early rounds of the domestic cups, same for us as every other top club and often the smaller clubs too - everyone pretty much rotates until the semi final stage if they get there, the difference is that due to not being on the same level financially as the rest of the top 6 (up until recently) our squad has been weak outside of the first XI so rotation carried a higher risk of getting knocked out. That said we still had a decent record of getting to the latter stages, ironically it's when the first XI were played that we faltered. But if you look at our latter stage defeats it's pretty much always a case that we lost to the favourite of the tie. The only time we were favourites was v Portsmouth under Redknapp.
They weren't sacked or sold for not winning cups, they've been sacked or sold because they weren't good enough or past their sell by date, nothing to do with trophies.
What games in particular are you talking about by the way? I seem to remember that season we played Portsmouth in the Cup semi and they knocked us out and we went onto secure top 4 that season, we had Bale and Modric in our team...we lost the match 2-0 - Portsmouth were on the verge of financial ruin and they finished bottom of the league (and were bottom since match day 2) If you're putting that on the owners then I don't know what to say...
I don’t think they’ve been terrible owners. They have increased revenue so theoretically we should be able to compete. Safe but self serving I would describe them. I just hope they aren’t waiting for an unrealistic offer and someone with a similar mindset. I just want someone who actually gives it a go even if they don’t get it right.
Watching that Amazon documentary I don’t know how anyone has confidence in them. They seem full of excuses and there’s yes people everywhere behind the scenes.
You’re not really taking in what Ive been saying are you
Something to look forward toCAREFUL!!!!
The anti Levy Cult will be calling you a cuck and a bot shortly.
My irony metre is off the charts here...Perhaps you ought to take in what I'm saying - you can answer my question in regards to what matches you're taking issue with and break it down into contextual analysis as opposed to just lumping in every game together as a whole.
I here what you're saying btw, you're absolving blame of anyone who is able to make a tangible difference on the football pitch (you know where it actually counts) and you're putting everything on the board despite the many different circumstances we found ourselves in as to why we couldn't get over the line.
With all due respect, your argument is folly and myopic especially if you're blaming the owners for players missing penalties on the day (for example)
My stance is clear on this, I admitted that ENIC have had other priorities in the past and the finger should firmly be pointed at them for the Mourinho debacle but to solely blame them for our trophy count of 1 in 22 is ridiculous, sorry.
I don't know what you expect from the board, do you want them to go public, do you want DL to jump on Tiktok and apologise, in fact this is the closest you're probably going to get as an apology from Levy when he admitted he took his eye off the ball:
I think the biggest criticism of ENIC from me is that priorities and execution have always been questionable, that's not to say they haven't tried to put it right, we asked for Levy to take a back seat he did it and hired a DOF, we asked Levy to increase the budgets for the contracts, we're now paying more than we have in our history, we asked for a manager like Conte to come in and change the culture of the club, he did that - and that goes hand in hand with your expectation of change for the club, we've never had a manager like him to steer the ship and who isn't afraid to call the board out.
What I expect of my board is to learn from their mistakes (because no-one is perfect) it took a while but it looks like they finally are and it seems strange to me that people are giving up now when we've actually had the highest investment in the team in the Summer and have a manager who we can trust and are currently sitting 3rd in the table, very strange time for people to be losing their shit.
If we are both wrong & enic are actually prioritising trophies then they have clearly failed on this front. But I too think they are happy with scraping top 4 & don’t care for trophies. It has seeped in to the club as we all acted as if we had won the title really. Top 4 is our trophy if we were honest.
I’m not blaming them for miss controlling a ball or not picking up a man at a corner, I’m saying they are responsible for the culture and mentality of the club where results like this happen over many different managers/players/time, Portsmouth game is just an extreme consequence/example of this if you want to fixate on that one game it’s fine it doesn’t take away from the point. We also had a final to win as well. I’m not absolving blame to individual players as at the time I would of criticised them but they move on, new managers and players come in similar happens then you need to start looking deeper.
As an owner you’re responsible for the success of your team but you get to walk away with £2b, that’s the deal. You can portion blame too particular managers/players but they all just pass through. They can’t effect things when they leave, the owners still can and if it keeps on happening then you have to realise you’re getting something wrong be it selection of manager, recruitment, investment, timing of that investment, prioritising Particular competitions or whatever it may be.
Conte is a great appointment but like any manager you’re only as good as the board allows you to be. He doesn’t seem in a rush to sign a new contract, how much trust and faith does he really have in these owners, same as Kane and he’s had his fingers burnt before. The investment is a 1-2 time thing which increases their shareholding it’s not going to be a regular occurrence. It may push us over the line with Conte I hope so but I’m not confident and it feels very fragile at the moment.
I’m not losing my shit I actually brush off the defeats and wins very quickly now because I know it’s not going to go anywhere, the belief is gone and for me at least thats down to the owners. If you’ve still got faith after everything you’ve seen then good on you I say.
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You mean when he lied to the fans by saying we would return to an attacking, free flowing style and then hired Nuno off the back of that & then another counter attacking manager?
LMAO.
I'd rather no letter than one that treats me as a supporter like a fucking child with short term memory loss.