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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Richard Arlison said:
We sacked Nuno after a few months, every managerial decision has risk. The extra pressure on any new coach replacing Ange, especially with a group of players who clearly love him makes a new coach more likely to get sacked after a few months than Ange imo
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It's a difficult one for sure. I can see the argument from both sides, as our league form has been utterly atrocious and, in virtually any other season, would have seen us relegated. However, the trophy does change the landscape somewhat.

I've been watching Sky Sports news today and paid particular attention to the Football finance expert who was saying just how much money Utd will miss out on by not getting to the CL, money that will now come to us. He reckons it's around £100M, with things like sponsor bonuses, additional games etc. That wasn't even taking into account getting to the final. Progression in the CL can lead to anything up to £200M in additional revenue.

Apart from actually winning the trophy itself, that is also what AP has brought to the club by winning the EL.

As such, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he'll be moved on before next season.

I won't lie, I have the same concerns that everyone else has, but he's done a bit more than just win us that long sought after trophy, he's also bolstered the bank account significantly. What remains to be seen is whether that money is used wisely.
 
Aphex said:
And some people advocating for giving him 10 games, and then if it doesn't work sacking him. Do you realise we've been discussing how we can't sack Ange midseason because it's hard to find a replacement midseason for about 9 months, and people want to do that again next season?
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It's a fair enough point.

Worth noting on that subject, whatever happens we had better make sure that the Munn/Paratici/Lange/Venkatesham/Whatever situation is clarified and put on stable footing over the summer, because that's the real challenge to ensuring an inevitable change in manager doesn't become a rolling cascade of upheaval and buck-passing.

Ionman34 said:
I won't lie, I have the same concerns that everyone else has, but he's done a bit more than just win us that long sought after trophy, he's also bolstered the bank account significantly. What remains to be seen is whether that money is used wisely.
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I think Levy trusts Ange to buy and utilize and maximize player assets and their values more than he trusts him to win football matches, if that makes sense. That may prove to be what saves him.
 
CJJ said:
In fairness to the performance, there were two occasions we were clear 2vs1 and stuffed it up (one Biss to Solanke maybe? another Son one at least). More confidence and we'd have had a comfortable scoreline I reckon - Onana is just a hologram.

Slightest of touches from Johnson but wasn't an OG - it is his movement that caused shaw to flap, though - if Johnson isn't there, the ball doesn't go in - regardless of how much credit anyone might want to take away from him for the goal.
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I'm not meaning to detract from the players, they delivered a performance that was enough to win the final, that is what matters. They deserve credit for it. They have suffered under this regime in manifold ways and deserved to lift the trophy.

It does not vindicate Ange Postecoglou, who is at 1.03 PPG in the league 2 years in
 
Deuterz said:
Oh my god, calling United shit isn’t discrediting anyone. They are 16th. Under Amorim their win % in the league is like 30%. The let’s laugh at United thread pops off every week .. ‘cos they’re fucking shit.

Their manager is basically begging to be put of his misery there .. because they’re shit. Would you like to pretend otherwise just because it makes you feel better about the win?
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I don't know why people get upset about saying that we had a fairly easy run to win the trophy. We played an average Frankfurt, Bodo fucking Glimt (wtf are they?) and the worst United side in living memory.

It takes nothing away from our glory, or success. But it seems some can't look at things objectively.

Obviously nobody cares who we played to win it, and nor should we/they. All that matters is history saying Europa League Winners 2025 Tottenham Hotspur

But when it comes to assessing the manager, this stuff does matter. I am not sure why some people say those 3 wins are enough to keep a manager, over a horrendous 38 game PL season.

Ange did great in the Europa, that's fantastic, but we won't be in that competition next season. We will however still be in the PL, and he's been utter shit in that.
 
peter merison said:
He is owed something for delivering the Europa.
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No he's not. He owed us that trophy after putting us through the worst PL season in living memory.

Sorry but fuck that shit about we owe him something.

The guy was lucky beyond belief to even get the chance to manage us in the final last night, he should have been long gone.

The least he could do was win that trophy as a way to say thanks to the fans.

But no way should we give him another season out of sentiment. Remember if we had lost last night, it would have been toxic beyond belief, the clubs would be in the depths of despair, 17th in the league and won fuck all. The club would have been in as bad a place as it has been for decades,

It's incredible the difference winning last night has made to the mood at the club now, but fucking hell was it really do or die. Ange should count his lucky stars we won that game, because the alternative was quite literally a disaster.
 
Richard Arlison said:
To be clear, if we start next season playing terrorist football from the start, I want him gone faster than shit off a shoe.

But if he has that in the locker plus an adjustment to his usual gung ho style, with slightly more intelligent pressing and more situational decisions to throw bodies forward, then why not be optimistic? This is a group and coach that have a trophy winning culture now
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Easy, lad...we won the European equivalent of the Scottish Championship. Ange hasn't suddenly become Cruyff and Brennan Johnson hasn't turned into Ronaldo Fenomeno.
 
Aphex said:
I don't know why people get upset about saying that we had a fairly easy run to win the trophy. We played an average Frankfurt, Bodo fucking Glimt (wtf are they?) and the worst United side in living memory.

It takes nothing away from our glory, or success. But it seems some can't look at things objectively.

Obviously nobody cares who we played to win it, and nor should we/they. All that matters is history saying Europa League Winners 2025 Tottenham Hotspur

But when it comes to assessing the manager, this stuff does matter. I am not sure why some people say those 3 wins are enough to keep a manager, over a horrendous 38 game PL season.

Ange did great in the Europa, that's fantastic, but we won't be in that competition next season. We will however still be in the PL, and he's been utter shit in that.
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:ange-facepalm:
 
Robba said:
If you believe Ange is a truly shit manager, you must also believe he is one of the luckiest fuckers on this earth. If has gone this far in the sport on luck it's the equal of winning powerball twice in two weeks.

Personally I believe there is a little x factor in life that can't be logically explained. I call that luck and it can go one way or the other. I'm sure most people here have experienced such a thing at least once in their lives.

So yes luck exists in my mind. However a constant non stop run of it through a prolonged period? No, it's not possible. Ange isn't the flukiest arseist man alive so he is at least a decent manager.

Ange is far from the best manager around. Hopefully he is learning and gets much better through this pretty tough in the deep end experience.

Maybe next season we see a much improved manager and team taking the steps forward this clubs supporters deserve.
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Both these thigs are true with Ange.
In some ways he an absolutely moronic crazily shit manager who does moronic things - like getting defenders to play pretty triangles around the keeper and bomb forward leaving holes - yet he likes and plays ultra limited attacking players . It leads to trouble at both ends.

But he also has a bit of X factor - and consequently has the ability to do both really well and really badly .
Overall his win per games will not be high - but he might win the right ores and in the right order for success.
So over two seasons come 17th in one and top three next - the average is mediocre - but not in the separate parts.

last night be played anti football - but he did it well especially in the 2nd half - if you are going to do it - do it properly .
It was the right choice given the players available. Poch - might have not been so committed - and he would not the other way round if we needed to go all out attack.
 
Aphex said:
I don't know why people get upset about saying that we had a fairly easy run to win the trophy. We played an average Frankfurt, Bodo fucking Glimt (wtf are they?) and the worst United side in living memory.

It takes nothing away from our glory, or success. But it seems some can't look at things objectively.

Obviously nobody cares who we played to win it, and nor should we/they. All that matters is history saying Europa League Winners 2025 Tottenham Hotspur

But when it comes to assessing the manager, this stuff does matter. I am not sure why some people say those 3 wins are enough to keep a manager, over a horrendous 38 game PL season.

Ange did great in the Europa, that's fantastic, but we won't be in that competition next season. We will however still be in the PL, and he's been utter shit in that.
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United were absolutely horrendous, no one can argue about that. The trophy does not shrink if we acknowledge the fact that we had a relatively easy run and the final opponent didn't turn up. It all looks the same in print
 
Aphex said:
No he's not. He owed us that trophy after putting us through the worst PL season in living memory.

Sorry but fuck that shit about we owe him something.

The guy was lucky beyond belief to even get the chance to manage us in the final last night, he should have been long gone.

The least he could do was win that trophy as a way to say thanks to the fans.

But no way should we give him another season out of sentiment. Remember if we had lost last night, it would have been toxic beyond belief, the clubs would be in the depths of despair, 17th in the league and won fuck all. The club would have been in as bad a place as it has been for decades,

It's incredible the difference winning last night has made to the mood at the club now, but fucking hell was it really do or die. Ange should count his lucky stars we won that game, because the alternative was quite literally a disaster.
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Its not sentiment at all, Postecoglu has proven to Levy we can ONLY fight on one front ever, choose the league and perhaps finish 5th, 6th, or where ever of go for a trophy and disregard the league...you cannot have both.
Over to Levy, get in at least 4 or 5 experienced players and see what we do.
 
kcspurs said:
United were absolutely horrendous, no one can argue about that. The trophy does not shrink if we acknowledge the fact that we had a relatively easy run and the final opponent didn't turn up. It all looks the same in print
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You can only beat what is in front of you and we did. That is all that matters. In 10 - 20 years. None of these little things will matter. Only the victory.
 
Aphex said:
I don't, but I admit I wouldn't put my house on it.

I think the main reason Ange stayed was

1. To see the Europa League run conclude.
2. Our desired targets aren't available until the summer.
3. We plan on a major revamp of the backroom staff and replacing Ange midseason made that revamp very difficult.

That's it.

All the noises have been, the entire coaching staff and Ange are being sacked over the summer. It's a clean slate.

Combine that with Paratici's impending return, he'll have his own plans.

Nah, all of the signs point to Ange leaving. I am all but absolute certain.
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I would leave Daniel Levy a chance to retain him after this, if not for Paratici's return. When he arrived last time he scuttled a deal with a manager that was all but done. He's going to want his own choice in there and to set things up as he wants them. I will be more than pleased to see us make a new plan, because Ange could never meet our aspirations of besting the best opponents over a season, winning the league or the CL
 
A key factor IMO that is being overlooked in this endless insufferable Ange In/Out debate is, who replaces him? Will that person be substantially better? Will the staff, player, and potentially style turnover (again) be worth it? There are a handful in the world for whom that's a definite yes. But Iraola? Silva? McKenna? Not sure those are significant upgrades? And whoever it is won't have the bond, belief, and cred that Ange now has with the players.
 
glacierSpurs said:
We beaten United twice in the league - they were shit.

We beaten United en route to League Cup semis - they were shit.

We beaten United to win the Europa League - they were shit.

Fuck me. Why would some posters keep discrediting the effort of the club he/she supports, if he/she does support.
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Were they not shit then?
 
If you're 17th in the league after 37 games, you don't deserve to stay just because you manage to beat the 16th placed side or some minnows from Norway. That take is just ridiculous. AZ, Frankfurt and Bodo don't even play in the Premier League. We're going to play PL and CL sides and Ange is clueless at that level. Get rid after the league is over. Let him finish in 17th place to show what a clown he is.
 
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