Yeah, these realists or purists can continue their miserable support to win their perfect game. I'm off to enjoying more of the content feed from last night historic win. Honestly these fans don't deserve yesterday moments with their findings of every little imperfections to take the polish away.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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If you believe Ange is a truly shit manager, you must also believe he is one of the luckiest fuckers on this earth. If has gone this far in the sport on luck it's the equal of winning powerball twice in two weeks.
Personally I believe there is a little x factor in life that can't be logically explained. I call that luck and it can go one way or the other. I'm sure most people here have experienced such a thing at least once in their lives.
So yes luck exists in my mind. However a constant non stop run of it through a prolonged period? No, it's not possible. Ange isn't the flukiest arseist man alive so he is at least a decent manager.
Ange is far from the best manager around. Hopefully he is learning and gets much better through this pretty tough in the deep end experience.
Maybe next season we see a much improved manager and team taking the steps forward this clubs supporters deserve.
Personally I believe there is a little x factor in life that can't be logically explained. I call that luck and it can go one way or the other. I'm sure most people here have experienced such a thing at least once in their lives.
So yes luck exists in my mind. However a constant non stop run of it through a prolonged period? No, it's not possible. Ange isn't the flukiest arseist man alive so he is at least a decent manager.
Ange is far from the best manager around. Hopefully he is learning and gets much better through this pretty tough in the deep end experience.
Maybe next season we see a much improved manager and team taking the steps forward this clubs supporters deserve.
You’re making a decision on a knee jerk based on the euphoria of last night as opposed to what’s happened over 9 months and 38 games.
This is a big decision, we need to be objective.
Anyway I need to stick to my previous advice and stay out of this thread and bask in our glory and nothing else!
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Anyone thinking about giving Ange another season based on last night is off their head. It's driven by pure emotion and nothing else.
Thankfully I don't think in this instance our board and management will be so daft as some of our fan base.
I think the decision has been taken regardless of what happened last night.
Only difference is how he exits the club, and now he can do it with his head held high and his next job will be at a better club than what it would have been had we lost last night.
But make no mistake, the league season has been an utter disgrace, there is no excuse for finishing 17th.
I just can't see how the club take the risk and roll the dice on wasting another season. Let's be frank here, he's been a clown in the league for over a year.
And some people advocating for giving him 10 games, and then if it doesn't work sacking him. Do you realise we've been discussing how we can't sack Ange midseason because it's hard to find a replacement midseason for about 9 months, and people want to do that again next season? We'd be writing off another league season by doing that.
Ange has sucked the life out of the club week on week all season long, it's been horrendous.
I do understand why some people are saying you can't sack him after winning a trophy, but it's just emotion speaking and nothing else.
Last night was the best moment in my Spurs supporting life, for over 40 years. I won't take that away from Ange, but looking at it objectively, it's one thing beating United, Frankfurt and Bodo Glimt to win a trophy (and doing it in a dogged fashion) and another thing entirely managing a 38 game league campaign and now the CL with lots of very good sides in it.
Ange has shown he's completely out of his depth in the PL. I honestly think it would be madness sticking with him. Imagine we start next season with a few losses, trust me the glow of last night will have long dimmed and we will be facing a toxic and miserable season yet again.
No. Ange goes with our best wishes, and we embark on a new season with someone else.
And, I just don't want to see us playing in the CL under Ange, we will get absolutely battered. There has been no progression at all under Ange on the pitch, and a few backs to the wall perfomances in Europe against United and Frankfurt won't convince me otherwise.
There's no doubt the players like him, but that doesn't make Ange qualified. Many poor managers have won Major trophies before. We will be making the ETH mistake United made, let's not do that please.
Thankfully I don't think in this instance our board and management will be so daft as some of our fan base.
I think the decision has been taken regardless of what happened last night.
Only difference is how he exits the club, and now he can do it with his head held high and his next job will be at a better club than what it would have been had we lost last night.
But make no mistake, the league season has been an utter disgrace, there is no excuse for finishing 17th.
I just can't see how the club take the risk and roll the dice on wasting another season. Let's be frank here, he's been a clown in the league for over a year.
And some people advocating for giving him 10 games, and then if it doesn't work sacking him. Do you realise we've been discussing how we can't sack Ange midseason because it's hard to find a replacement midseason for about 9 months, and people want to do that again next season? We'd be writing off another league season by doing that.
Ange has sucked the life out of the club week on week all season long, it's been horrendous.
I do understand why some people are saying you can't sack him after winning a trophy, but it's just emotion speaking and nothing else.
Last night was the best moment in my Spurs supporting life, for over 40 years. I won't take that away from Ange, but looking at it objectively, it's one thing beating United, Frankfurt and Bodo Glimt to win a trophy (and doing it in a dogged fashion) and another thing entirely managing a 38 game league campaign and now the CL with lots of very good sides in it.
Ange has shown he's completely out of his depth in the PL. I honestly think it would be madness sticking with him. Imagine we start next season with a few losses, trust me the glow of last night will have long dimmed and we will be facing a toxic and miserable season yet again.
No. Ange goes with our best wishes, and we embark on a new season with someone else.
And, I just don't want to see us playing in the CL under Ange, we will get absolutely battered. There has been no progression at all under Ange on the pitch, and a few backs to the wall perfomances in Europe against United and Frankfurt won't convince me otherwise.
There's no doubt the players like him, but that doesn't make Ange qualified. Many poor managers have won Major trophies before. We will be making the ETH mistake United made, let's not do that please.
But Utd are fucking shit.
How’s that discrediting this club by pointing that out? Are we supposed to pretend they are the Utd of 99/08?
IMO, I think the players played for themselves and Son more than for Ange.
I think you may be surprised. Any other season levy would have pulled the trigger on a manager who had us just above the relegation zone in january but they decided to stick with him for some reason. Paid off in the end. I just think they might keep him on.
Oh my god, calling United shit isn’t discrediting anyone. They are 16th. Under Amorim their win % in the league is like 30%. The let’s laugh at United thread pops off every week .. ‘cos they’re fucking shit.
Their manager is basically begging to be put of his misery there .. because they’re shit. Would you like to pretend otherwise just because it makes you feel better about the win?
I don't, but I admit I wouldn't put my house on it.
I think the main reason Ange stayed was
1. To see the Europa League run conclude.
2. Our desired targets aren't available until the summer.
3. We plan on a major revamp of the backroom staff and replacing Ange midseason made that revamp very difficult.
That's it.
All the noises have been, the entire coaching staff and Ange are being sacked over the summer. It's a clean slate.
Combine that with Paratici's impending return, he'll have his own plans.
Nah, all of the signs point to Ange leaving. I am all but absolute certain.
It's a difficult one for sure. I can see the argument from both sides, as our league form has been utterly atrocious and, in virtually any other season, would have seen us relegated. However, the trophy does change the landscape somewhat.
I've been watching Sky Sports news today and paid particular attention to the Football finance expert who was saying just how much money Utd will miss out on by not getting to the CL, money that will now come to us. He reckons it's around £100M, with things like sponsor bonuses, additional games etc. That wasn't even taking into account getting to the final. Progression in the CL can lead to anything up to £200M in additional revenue.
Apart from actually winning the trophy itself, that is also what AP has brought to the club by winning the EL.
As such, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he'll be moved on before next season.
I won't lie, I have the same concerns that everyone else has, but he's done a bit more than just win us that long sought after trophy, he's also bolstered the bank account significantly. What remains to be seen is whether that money is used wisely.
It's a fair enough point.
Worth noting on that subject, whatever happens we had better make sure that the Munn/Paratici/Lange/Venkatesham/Whatever situation is clarified and put on stable footing over the summer, because that's the real challenge to ensuring an inevitable change in manager doesn't become a rolling cascade of upheaval and buck-passing.
I think Levy trusts Ange to buy and utilize and maximize player assets and their values more than he trusts him to win football matches, if that makes sense. That may prove to be what saves him.
It would be the most unbelievable decision to get rid of him now ( And I am Ange out)
He is owed something for delivering the Europa.
If it doesn't work after a couple of months THEN get rid of him.
He is owed something for delivering the Europa.
If it doesn't work after a couple of months THEN get rid of him.
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I'm not meaning to detract from the players, they delivered a performance that was enough to win the final, that is what matters. They deserve credit for it. They have suffered under this regime in manifold ways and deserved to lift the trophy.
It does not vindicate Ange Postecoglou, who is at 1.03 PPG in the league 2 years in
I don't know why people get upset about saying that we had a fairly easy run to win the trophy. We played an average Frankfurt, Bodo fucking Glimt (wtf are they?) and the worst United side in living memory.
It takes nothing away from our glory, or success. But it seems some can't look at things objectively.
Obviously nobody cares who we played to win it, and nor should we/they. All that matters is history saying Europa League Winners 2025 Tottenham Hotspur
But when it comes to assessing the manager, this stuff does matter. I am not sure why some people say those 3 wins are enough to keep a manager, over a horrendous 38 game PL season.
Ange did great in the Europa, that's fantastic, but we won't be in that competition next season. We will however still be in the PL, and he's been utter shit in that.
No he's not. He owed us that trophy after putting us through the worst PL season in living memory.
Sorry but fuck that shit about we owe him something.
The guy was lucky beyond belief to even get the chance to manage us in the final last night, he should have been long gone.
The least he could do was win that trophy as a way to say thanks to the fans.
But no way should we give him another season out of sentiment. Remember if we had lost last night, it would have been toxic beyond belief, the clubs would be in the depths of despair, 17th in the league and won fuck all. The club would have been in as bad a place as it has been for decades,
It's incredible the difference winning last night has made to the mood at the club now, but fucking hell was it really do or die. Ange should count his lucky stars we won that game, because the alternative was quite literally a disaster.
Easy, lad...we won the European equivalent of the Scottish Championship. Ange hasn't suddenly become Cruyff and Brennan Johnson hasn't turned into Ronaldo Fenomeno.
Both these thigs are true with Ange.
In some ways he an absolutely moronic crazily shit manager who does moronic things - like getting defenders to play pretty triangles around the keeper and bomb forward leaving holes - yet he likes and plays ultra limited attacking players . It leads to trouble at both ends.
But he also has a bit of X factor - and consequently has the ability to do both really well and really badly .
Overall his win per games will not be high - but he might win the right ores and in the right order for success.
So over two seasons come 17th in one and top three next - the average is mediocre - but not in the separate parts.
last night be played anti football - but he did it well especially in the 2nd half - if you are going to do it - do it properly .
It was the right choice given the players available. Poch - might have not been so committed - and he would not the other way round if we needed to go all out attack.
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United were absolutely horrendous, no one can argue about that. The trophy does not shrink if we acknowledge the fact that we had a relatively easy run and the final opponent didn't turn up. It all looks the same in print