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Player Morgan Gibbs-White

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You can always negotiate under the release clause, indeed that's what happen 95% of the time.

What can't possibly happen is a buying club paying more than that sum.

Just to give you an example, a number of star players here - Mbappe, Bellingham, Jamal, maybe more - have €1 billion release clauses. If it became known that one of those wanted out, potential buyers would start by offering loads less but Madrid, Barça whoever could try holding out. As everyone knows, nobody will be forking out a billion (what's more in one go), that sum is simply insurance given the astronomical wages these people are on.
That's just wrong. If you have a release clause of £60 million and the other club offers £80 million, then the player is sold for £80 million, the purpose of the release clause in this case is that an offer of at least £60 million will trigger the clause.
 
Borson's claim that us asking MGW's agent "what do we need to bid here to get the player?" (around the 8:30 mark) is borderline inducement is ridiculous. Surely that's just a standard first question you'd ask of any agent about any player of interest under any set of circumstances; it doesn't imply any foreknowledge of a release clause nor does it imply intent to induce a breach of confidence.
I used to give Borson's comments some credence but if that is the extent of his knowledge on transfer dealing I've got a second hand petrol lawnmower he might be interested in buying.
 
That's just wrong. If you have a release clause of £60 million and the other club offers £80 million, then the player is sold for £80 million, the purpose of the release clause in this case is that an offer of at least £60 million will trigger the clause.
Not entirely true. The player could choose to join the 60m team instead of the 80m team. Once the release clause is triggered then the player is free to go and the club can't demand more money.

That is how I assumed it worked anyway until this entire fiasco started anyway!
 
Do you know what my grandkids are not allowed to say "It's not fair". Forest get Palace thrown out of Europa despite their own dodgy ownership?
Forest get Clattenberg in because of a few reffing decisions, putting refs integrity in doubt. You should have had a shot a yard over the goal line disallowed?
Now a bid triggers a release clause "It's not fair"
An owner with a so called blind trust runs onto the pitch to argue with his manager ffs
That doesn't address the question.
 
Not entirely true. The player could choose to join the 60m team instead of the 80m team. Once the release clause is triggered then the player is free to go and the club can't demand more money.

That is how I assumed it worked anyway until this entire fiasco started anyway!

Who knows?

So if there are two bids over the release clause and one is say £20 million more than the other then the player can still choose the club who made the lower offer?
 
For sure, be careful with how you communicate with the player and his agent but you stay in contact
But at the end of the day, we can't force Gibbs-White to be willing to go nuclear with this dispute, and at the end of the day there will be no deal here if that doesn't happen.

Forest hasn't violated any obligation they have to Spurs, they have violated an obligation they have to Gibbs-White.

And understandably this is being reported as a dispute between the two clubs, but ultimately the accusations here are being made against Gibbs-White and his representation.

Why is he training? It's a demonstration of some combination of guilt with regard to the allegations or total unwillingness to antagonize the club to get the move.

Either way, that's the end of it. It's the same as if we couldn't agree personal terms with him, we don't have a player willing to join Tottenham on the situation offered to him.

Who knows?

So if there are two bids over the release clause and one is say £20 million more than the other then the player can still choose the club who made the lower offer?
Depends on the exact wording of the clause, but in theory, yes.

The clause would essentially say that Forest is obliged to accept any bid that is over X amount, and such acceptance would grant Gibbs-White permission to negotiate a contract with that club. So he can pick and choose among the valid bidders.

This is how it worked with Haaland and Liam Delap, though everybody knew what the clause was in that case.
 
Who knows?

So if there are two bids over the release clause and one is say £20 million more than the other then the player can still choose the club who made the lower offer?
Yeah thats how it should work. Once the release clause is met then the player should be free to go. The selling club should have lost all right to demand more money so if another club comes in with a bigger offer then its up to the player only.

Thats how its meant to work but I honestly have no idea whats going on here.
 
Yeah thats how it should work. Once the release clause is met then the player should be free to go. The selling club should have lost all right to demand more money so if another club comes in with a bigger offer then its up to the player only.

Thats how its meant to work but I honestly have no idea whats going on here.

You’re not the only one mate
 
But at the end of the day, we can't force Gibbs-White to be willing to go nuclear with this dispute, and at the end of the day there will be no deal here if that doesn't happen.

Forest hasn't violated any obligation they have to Spurs, they have violated an obligation they have to Gibbs-White.

And understandably this is being reported as a dispute between the two clubs, but ultimately the accusations here are being made against Gibbs-White and his representation.

Why is he training? It's a demonstration of some combination of guilt with regard to the allegations or total unwillingness to antagonize the club to get the move.

Either way, that's the end of it. It's the same as if we couldn't agree personal terms with him, we don't have a player willing to join Tottenham on the situation offered to him.
While he is a Forest player refusing to train is a breach of contract isn’t it?
 
Not entirely true. The player could choose to join the 60m team instead of the 80m team. Once the release clause is triggered then the player is free to go and the club can't demand more money.

That is how I assumed it worked anyway until this entire fiasco started anyway!

Release clause buys out the players contract with the selling club and allows the buying club to negotiate personal terms with the player.
 
Who knows?

So if there are two bids over the release clause and one is say £20 million more than the other then the player can still choose the club who made the lower offer?
I'm beginning to wonder if something like this has happened... e.g. Forest have received a higher bid (or are aware of an incoming bid that's higher) and are reluctant to sell to us at £60m, even though they are (I think) obligated to accept our bid if it meets the terms of the release clause and there's no evidence on impropriety... assuming MGW wants it, of course.
 
Not entirely true. The player could choose to join the 60m team instead of the 80m team. Once the release clause is triggered then the player is free to go and the club can't demand more money.

That is how I assumed it worked anyway until this entire fiasco started anyway!
In the example there is no club offering £60 million. There are two clubs, the player is contracted to the first, the second wants that player. There is a confidential NDA relating to the release clause between the first club and the player. The second club is not aware of the release clause nor of its contents. The second club offers £80 million, the first club accepts this. Because the release clause of £60 million has now been met, the sale goes ahead at £80 million, assuming that the player is happy with his personal terms.
 
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