Sunderland v TOTTENHAM - 13th Sept 13:30

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The difference is, that free flowing football is something you can build on, and mould into success, even if you lose games in the transitional phase.

This thing we are seeing now, will never, ever be successful. So take the 3pts today and be happy by all means.....but expect to still be treading water in three years.
I think we are likely to see the status quo while we are building the stadium. That means less spent on the squad than we would ideally like. I don't want to see yet another manager in that period trying to mould a squad round the last managers purchases. "Treading water" it may be, & I'd like to see more attacking football with pace & width. Ironically, we looked far better with Lamela & Townsend. I think the good football will come with a bit more patience & time. It's not "happy clappy head in the clouds" time. We are too inconsistent, I will accept that, but I don't see that putting points on the board whilst not hitting the high notes is a bad thing. That goal was not the sort of thing you see from a poor team playing with no confidence. It was a great team goal. I'm hoping we push on now. The pressure of searching out a first win is off & I think getting off the mark was important rather than the manner of the performance as a whole. It remains a very young team/squad. Not excuse. Fact. I'd like to see how they kick on now.
 
We said it last time out Eric Dier is worth the TROOPS coming back for could have saved us millions ,there will be mistakes but he will grow to be a great midfielder ,there are certain players you watch and think he was born for that position .

Where you been hiding Big Boy??

This place aint so much fun with you AWOL..
 
One of the best team goals of 1/2 touch football I have seen from a Spurs team in ages.
If that one piece of sublime football was not good enough for some, then those some are cunts.

This is funny because during the game I wrote:

We could sneak one goal and win, and within two days people will be talking about the performance like the 1991 FA Cup semi

Only points count to some...this is fine as long as we win to them.

Shocking view

And here you are....right on cue. A little earlier than expected, but expected none the less.
I guess this is the price of players like Kane tweeting shit about "great goal COYS!" instead apologising to those who travelled 800km round trip on a Sunday to watch that pile of shit performance, and promising to do better.

Clowns lapping it up, like fucking children interacting with Justin Bieber.

Embarrassing state the game is in. At least if we get relegated apologist fucks like you might disappear from our fanbase, and the rest can build this shambolic giant corpse of a once great club back up from the ashes with some passion and pride.

Too many fans have forgotten what pride is.That tripe served up today was shameful, and I couldnt give a fuck if Mason had scored a bicycle kick from the halfway line, it changes nothing.
 
Where are the "average again" words coming from? From what I recall, we were only average away at Leicester (who are still unbeaten and are second in the league right now) and today (which was of course disappointing, despite the win)

We were the better of the two teams against Man Utd, we looked great against Stoke and we tore Everton apart two weeks back. We have been increasingly unlucky so far this season and could quite easily be sitting on 12 points as opposed to the 6 we are on at the moment.

I'm aware we could and should be doing a lot better but I think we're above average. We have a very young team still finding their way with key injuries amongst the team. We were without our best back four today (Rose), arguably our most creative player (Eriksen) and someone who's been pretty good in every game he's played this season (Dembele).

We are unbeaten in four (though realistically we should have had 4 wins as opposed to 3 draws and 1 win), we have kept two cleansheets on the bounce, Eric Dier is proving to be a talented defensive midfielder and we have Woolwich coming up next week. Come on you fucking Spurs.
 
Never looked in trouble? Which 3 minutes of the game did you see?

Good result, bad performance. Don't dress it up more than it deserves.
Nobody is dressing it up - i was asked for positives.
They had 3 chances of note. We had most of the ball. They huffed and puffed - they had to as home side- but really offered very little.
It wasn't a bad performance it was a scrappy performance - I'm not dressing it up but what do people expect.
 
Where you been hiding Big Boy??

This place aint so much fun with you AWOL..
Cheers the window drained us then the porn did for us ,now time to drag the intellectual level of the forum back to the gutter ,thankyou respect bro .
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Where are the "average again" words coming from? From what I recall, we were only average away at Leicester (who are still unbeaten and are second in the league right now) and today (which was of course disappointing, despite the win)

We were the better of the two teams against Man Utd, we looked great against Stoke and we tore Everton apart two weeks back. We have been increasingly unlucky so far this season and could quite easily be sitting on 12 points as opposed to the 6 we are on at the moment.

I'm aware we could and should be doing a lot better but I think we're above average. We have a very young team still finding their way with key injuries amongst the team. We were without our best back four today (Rose), arguably our most creative player (Eriksen) and someone who's been pretty good in every game he's played this season (Dembele).

We are unbeaten in four (though realistically we should have had 4 wins as opposed to 3 draws and 1 win), we have kept two cleansheets on the bounce, Eric Dier is proving to be a talented defensive midfielder and we have Woolwich coming up next week. Come on you fucking Spurs.

Whilst the win is welcome, could it be argued it wasn't as deserved today as vs Everton? In which case they cancel each other out as opposed to just adding the lost points against Everton to the 'should have won' pile and ignoring today's late scrape?

I think we were only better than Stoke for 45mins and they haven't won a game yet. Leicester was average for sure, they've been decent enough to date to be fair. United had our number ultimately because we were short of any clinical finishing or options to go for it so could've been there all day and not scored. Everton and today - points haul probably about right, one game decent the other game pretty shit. Still wondering about Everton's midweek 120mins for half the team giving us the edge. Sunderland are crap.

Already suffering knocks and games piling up, still no standout XI we can field yet and surely it's clear at the moment that even with Harry we're struggling for goals, take him out and.......well, it's been obvious all summer but Poch is happy with the squad.
 
But this is the wholehearted problem, we need at least 2 of the 3 behind the striker to step up and be consistent and that has not happened yet in over a year, Eriksen, Lamela, N'Jie, Son, Dembele, Alli, Chadli, Pritchard, Townsend all fighting for those places and as usual we are relying on "the last good thing someone did" to get them in the next game or wait until someone (like chadli now) has been bad enough to drop

I just want one of them to say ok this position is mine and be the end of it
That's a matter of time. The season and players are young, and will need time to figure it all out.
 
This is funny because during the game I wrote:



And here you are....right on cue. A little earlier than expected, but expected none the less.
I guess this is the price of players like Kane tweeting shit about "great goal COYS!" instead apologising to those who travelled 800km round trip on a Sunday to watch that pile of shit performance, and promising to do better.

Clowns lapping it up, like fucking children interacting with Justin Bieber.

Embarrassing state the game is in. At least if we get relegated apologist fucks like you might disappear from our fanbase, and the rest can build this shambolic giant corpse of a once great club back up from the ashes with some passion and pride.

Too many fans have forgotten what pride is.That tripe served up today was shameful, and I couldnt give a fuck if Mason had scored a bicycle kick from the halfway line, it changes nothing.

You can argue that the post saved Poch's job today. A cold hard fact is that we are unbeaten in the prem in 10 games and that is a solid number.

There is a middle ground where both of us could be wrong. I think we are better squad wise and you think we are worse. We could just be dead center of those two opinions and be treading water and average the same points as the Bale and Modtic days, just less entertaining.

Personally i would prefer we get that total with players who want to stay with us.
 
Shut up and enjoy the win at least for today you moany old pricks.

Honestly, some of you fucking boggle my mind, get a fucking life.

Completely agree. Yes, it wasn't a good team performances but there were some decent individual performances, and the most important thing today was the 3 points, no matter what anyone says. I sincerely hope the performances get better, but we've played so much better than that this season and not been rewarded for it. Read some absolutely shite in this thread about how the team should be tweeting apologies for the performance! Do fuck off! Tweet apologies after a win? Fuck right off you miserable ballbags.

3 points today - let's hope it kick starts us.
 
Apart from obviously being an excellent example of the over-academicised, theoretical, statistical, pseudo-science babble that is ruining football by making players do things to achieve good numbers rather than win matches, what the fuck is this? As in what is it purporting to show, and mean?
A good explanation of expected goals is here:
Goal Expectation and Efficiency

Caley explains his model here:
Premier League projections, from the winners to the relegated clubs

The thing that you feel is ruining the game is pretty standard analysis at most Premier League and Championship level clubs. It's also used by every Champions League contender, and by every bookie to set odds. You don't have to like it, I was just sharing it as an alternative viewpoint.
 
Completely agree. Yes, it wasn't a good team performances but there were some decent individual performances, and the most important thing today was the 3 points, no matter what anyone says. I sincerely hope the performances get better, but we've played so much better than that this season and not been rewarded for it. Read some absolutely shite in this thread about how the team should be tweeting apologies for the performance! Do fuck off! Tweet apologies after a win? Fuck right off you miserable ballbags.

3 points today - let's hope it kick starts us.

I'm anti flash with no substance so to see players terrified of Dier, Mason and Davies gave me an anti soft Spurs boner.

We kicked the fucking shit out of them.

Mason went out on his shield.
 
I was on a plane and missed the game. I have never read a match thread without seeing the game before. Very entertaining, thanks to all for contributing. Should make it in time for the highlights.
 
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