Maybe it will sort out next season. The part that is discouraging to me is that I assumed as the system started to take hold we'd see improvement. But it feels like the players were adapting to it better at the start of the season than they are now and that's worrying. And Postecoglou never seems to be answer anything specifically about what's happening on the pitch and falls back on the players commitment to the system. Even a guy with an ego like Jose Mourinho would occasionally acknowledge that he didn't have the team ready to play and talk about what "we" have to do. I still think next year could be a good one and I don't know if Postecoglou will or won't pan out. But after a loss to Woolrich I'm inclined to grouchiness and wanted to hear something in his post game presser where he took some ownership of the result.
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Agree but some fans don't want to be patient. Those calling for his head now are mad. We need to give any coach two full seasons unless things turn really bad. Be interesting to see how ange and the squad deal with a congested fixture list next season.
The thing is Klopp was backed , I’m not confident Ange will be to the degree he needs
So why didn't he?
That lot went to City and sat behind the ball and got the point they were looking for, a point that has kept them in the race to win the league and yet there's fans here talking about philosophies and "attacking football" as we fight to hold 5th place.
The gap is a chasm and it's made worse by the fact we finished above these for a few years only for them to win silverware during it and to bounce back and challenge for leagues while we harp on about a fraudster being right about not employing a set piece coach cos he has Mile Jedinak and insisting on playing a high line with all out attack no matter the opposition.
What a great mentality that will breed into the players eh?
We could be down to 9 against Chelsea at home or we could have a chance to stop the scum winning the league, doesn't matter cos we'll play naive football to please the so called "fans".
They were examples. Not comparisons.
Our comparison would be our attack compared to there's. They had Mane, Salah, Firmino despite having that defence.
We have Son, Kulusevski, Johnson etc....
Our defence, in my eyes, is fine. I actually think we defend open play pretty well (set pieces are another issue) and the chances we give up would be less if we had a front three anywhere near we good as that Liverpool team did and their ability to keep hold of the ball and create and score.
Look at Arsenals only goal from open play today? Maddison diving to the ground when he could have just kept the ball... Newcastle two weeks ago, two of their goals coming from Son failing to hold the ball up.
We need a wide man who is good technically,, can keep possession but able to beat his man too. A 6 that can comfortably receive the ball and turn on it but is brilliant defensively and a striker who can hold the ball up when require but can also fucking score.
Our club is 142 years old. All this rebuild guff suits the ownership model, but it’s not reality. Teams have cycles, decently run clubs manage their cycles. Refreshing the core, about 12 months before you sell the other Apple ( so to speak )
Whereas we have owners who sacrifice the manager in a vain attempt to squeeze that little bit more from what should have been past.
Eriksen’s replacement came along years after he left. Kane’s replacement is nowhere to be seen. Son’s replacement is ? Toby and Jan, well they tried to use Sanchez or Dier and at times Davies, It’s absolutely rancid squad building. Paratici I feel is the only one who had half a clue. And he’s obviously bent.
When Levy pumps out his end of year statement about being “competitive”. That reality is that every team is competitive in this league. We are just also rans who maybe, sometimes do a bit better than shit the bed.
Davies. Hoijberg. Lo Celso, Skippy and Sess (albeit not playing) were here too.
And whilst not currently here, Ndombele, Rodon.
I’m behind what Ange is trying to get us to do. The stuff we played was great until it got into the box, but the set pieces are just too bad and our forwards are just not good enough. It’s not gonna happen with Brennan Johnson, richarlison, son and Werner needing the line. We need a minimum of 2 top quality attackers to do anything next season. Otherwise it’s just a big fat waste of time.
What’s the betting we finally sort the corners out against City and help the goons win the league? 
The next 3 feel pretty big, not in the context of league position because we'll be 5th but in terms of pressure. Lose all 3, which feels distinctly possible and it will be 5 defeats on the bounce. Doesnt matter how long you've been here, or who you are. Any Totenham manager or anyone at a big club that loses 5 on the trot is under massive scrutiny. If football is about momentum and good vibes we'll have fuck all of either going into next season.
Ok, have you checked the U21s for any other players?
Davies and Hojbjerg are barely starting games. Lo Celso gets like 2 minutes every 2 games (he didn’t play under and the rest you said it, they don’t even play at all so why count them?
I think those games are completely different if we have a better front three, absolutely.
The amount of times I've seen our offence turn back or just lose the ball unnecessarily which leads to an opponent getting a good chance is not normal but you'd cut those out if you had players in that final third who were good on the ball and their first thought is how they can cause damage, not how can we keep the ball.
Always defending the status quo.
This is extremely optimistic. If anything we have seen how teams have figured Ange out already. We saw the same with Arteta and Klopp and they all had to tweak their set ups each year to perform. If we go out and drill our players the same way for next season it'll be even worse than this year.
If its the same at this point next season, I will be questioning, no doubt about it.
I don't think it will be.
Basically I see our season in a few phases. First 10 games - brilliant. Nov-Jan - above expectations due to the appalling injury list and suspensions. Feb onwards - not great tbh.
Ange came in, gave us a lift, brought something different and commits to attacking football. My feeling is that he doesn't adapt enough to games and strategies, I just don't see us doubling down on our plan A catapulting us to success when we make many basic errors and are so easy to score against.
You said Son is the only player still here. He isn't. Don't be a prick, I've mentioned players that got games in those regimes. Not kids.
They are still here, therefore your statement is incorrect.
And whilst not ALL the players have participated under ALL regimes, enough have played with Conte and Nuno. Enough to still have lasting effects on the tactics and mentality.
Porro/Romero/Davies/Hoijberg/Bentancur/ Kulusevski and Son - 7 of the starting 11 today - we're prominent players for Conte. Just last year.
I agree that he won't be backed to the extent we go and spend 80m and 70m on positions we need like Klopp did (Van Dijk and Allison).
He's been backed pretty heavily so far though. So I hope it continues and we make the right signings, regardless of fee.