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Management Ange Postecoglou

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bk_spur said:
We got smoked by prem sides all year long- even with our first choice players available. Why would we do better in the FA cup then? The EL is pretty much the only cup we could have really won based on our form vs other Prem sides NOT named man utd or that were relegated.
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That would be terrible....if it was remotely true. This JUST when first choice defence starts, not allowing for other creative players being available.

Ange Postecoglou's Tottenham side's results vary significantly based on the availability of their first-choice defense. When the full back five (Vicario, Van de Ven, Romero, Porro, and Udogie) is available, they have a strong record, achieving 1.88 points per game. However, in games without this starting defense, their points per game drop to 1.47. This highlights the team's reliance on their key defensive players and the impact of injuries or suspensions on their performance.
Elaboration:
Strong Record with Full Back Five:
In the 25 games where the starting back five was available, Tottenham secured 14 wins, 5 draws, and 6 losses, resulting in 1.88 points per game.
 
Absolutely beautiful and congratulations to him and his family, but it ends there for me! His record shows he has achieved in a dummed down EL comp and 17th in The EPL with turgid performances. Thanks, but time to move on!
 
OziBeerMan said:
As someone who has followed Ange’s career, he has a tendency to walk when he wins and in conjunction with some reservations regarding resources given and/or the board/ management style. He did it at STH Melbourne, he did it at Brisbane, the Socceroos, Yokohama, Celtic and will probably walk from Spurs. I hope he doesn’t, I’d like to see him given the opportunity to learn from this season in conjunction to getting a few quality seasoned players in, and see what he can do.
He’s achieved his major objective, winning a trophy.
I think he’s going to walk. He’s copped a tonne of shit from supporters and media pundits. He doesn’t forget. Ask Craig Foster!
Leave on a high Ange.
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Not sure I agree here. He tends to walk when he feels the job is done more often than not. He'd achieved pretty much what he went there to do at Sth Melbourne, Brissy, Melbourne, Yokohama, Celtic etc and moved onto the next challenge/rebuild so I don't think he'll do it here at all as he's just started the job. He's regenerated the squad, brought many of the youngsters through (many out of injury necessity) and won a trophy but knows that the next step is to make the side competitive in all comopetitions season long which he felt he didn't have the depth to do this season with the injuries etc. It's all well and good for people to suggest all teams have injuries, and they do, but it's the quality/experience of who comes in to replace the injured player that has a huge influence and Spurs just haven't had the depth behind the first line to really compete this season but with CL on offer and I'd imagine an even further reduce wage bill as a result of so many youngsters there is some room now to add the quality to offset injury losses as well as upgrade the squad overall. He'll want to stay to continue the process of making the side competitive everywhere now, and I think he will if he remains, whether he gets the opportunity is another thing.
 
AussieVillan said:
Not sure I agree here. He tends to walk when he feels the job is done more often than not. He'd achieved pretty much what he went there to do at Sth Melbourne, Brissy, Melbourne, Yokohama, Celtic etc and moved onto the next challenge/rebuild so I don't think he'll do it here at all as he's just started the job. He's regenerated the squad, brought many of the youngsters through (many out of injury necessity) and won a trophy but knows that the next step is to make the side competitive in all comopetitions season long which he felt he didn't have the depth to do this season with the injuries etc. It's all well and good for people to suggest all teams have injuries, and they do, but it's the quality/experience of who comes in to replace the injured player that has a huge influence and Spurs just haven't had the depth behind the first line to really compete this season but with CL on offer and I'd imagine an even further reduce wage bill as a result of so many youngsters there is some room now to add the quality to offset injury losses as well as upgrade the squad overall. He'll want to stay to continue the process of making the side competitive everywhere now, and I think he will if he remains, whether he gets the opportunity is another thing.
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Yep I agree.
My comment was more in the vein of what he did with the Socceroos because he felt he didn’t have the support from the federation, and if that’s a similar sentiment he has with Levy and the board.
Mind you his comments over the last few days, and in particular at the parade, suggest he’s staying on. Well he wants to, whether Levy see’s it that way.
He’s done what he was brought in to do so I can’t see Levy sacking him. Won a trophy, back in CL, blooded loads of youngsters, changed the style, changed the culture whilst dealing with an unprecedented injury crisis. We all agree about the league position, but when you look at it all in totality he’s done a pretty good job.
 
Os22 said:
I hope there’s a lot of critical, objective thinking when the actual decision is made.

On this board there’s no grey area, there’s people playing down the achievement of finally winning a trophy after 17 long years, whilst pointing out that it doesn’t change the problem at a club which has lost 21 games in the league this season.

Because we won on Wednesday there’s also people running around now basically claiming that anyone who said Ange wasn’t good enough overall are now all sorts of names because him winning that same trophy seems to render everything else absolutely irrelevant.

Two things can be right, there is some genuine decision making to be done because you have to balance the idea of us winning something against long term form. However whole swathes of this forum seem to be more interested in mud slinging because on a given day their view seems to be slightly more correct than the other. It’s just mental to watch, genuinely think both sides have numerous posters who are more interested in being ‘correct’ and calling other posters names than they are actually bothered about the long term future of the club, and that’s before you even get to those who love nothing more than to log on, flip flop between the two and call both sides names depending on which way the wind is blowing that day. Mental.
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You have to have objective standards for wanting a manager in or out. For me, it is the trend line. Are Spurs better at the end of each season than the start, and better or worse than at the start of the project? The first question is difficult to answer because you have the cup at the end, but the team looked worse as the season progressed in league matches. For the project overall, there was a strong start last season and turbulence after that. But, again, Ange supporters will look at the trophy as wiping out any negatives. Then you move onto whether there are logical reasons to think things will improve next season over this. That's difficult as well, because you can't really get any worse in the Premier League matches so people will point to a normal season as a massive turnaround. If we're now just trophy hunters and that's all, there's tremendous pressure on Postecoglou to keep winning trophies while winning enough Premier League matches to survive. The last thing I'd note, and this would be a check mark for him, is he at least pulled back some from absolute adherence to his system. Maybe there's hope he's learned, but how much of the adaptability was due to injuries and how much was a reappraisal? I'm resigned to him returning, but I think the ice is thinner next season because the excuses will be mostly gone.
 
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AussieVillan said:
That would be terrible....if it was remotely true. This JUST when first choice defence starts, not allowing for other creative players being available.

Ange Postecoglou's Tottenham side's results vary significantly based on the availability of their first-choice defense. When the full back five (Vicario, Van de Ven, Romero, Porro, and Udogie) is available, they have a strong record, achieving 1.88 points per game. However, in games without this starting defense, their points per game drop to 1.47. This highlights the team's reliance on their key defensive players and the impact of injuries or suspensions on their performance.
Elaboration:
Strong Record with Full Back Five:
In the 25 games where the starting back five was available, Tottenham secured 14 wins, 5 draws, and 6 losses, resulting in 1.88 points per game.
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We finished far behind many teams with worse CBs than our backups- not that Ange knew how to coach and improve them anyways.
 
Maureen said:
In the end although to get the trophy we had 25% pocession which must one of the lowest ever. Even forest manage more. It was pure Jose / conte ball to the max. Which is what most people didn’t want. If he can’t marry the attacking football with some solidity then we are in for same as this season in the league.
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It was no risk football in the second half to minimise United chances, it worked.

Perfect night,
 
Just checking, do some people just look at the stats of the night merely regurgitate them, and forget context.

My memory may be shot, but if I recall correctly - Maddison, Kulu and Bergvall weren't in the middle of the park. So if they're not there - do you think other players play the same way? One soldier one, one solider out mentality.

But of course Ange isn't flexible...mmmm.... and cannot adapt to the current context of which players are available and being strategic in how to best manage that context for an outcome.

The bullshit narrative that he is naive , incompetent, inflexible that persists due to some hang up about where we finish in the table - when in the end 7-17th does not matter one jot, when it was about getting a trophy to reward cultural change.

Tell me you know nothing about football...

Onwards and upwards :)
 
bk_spur said:
We finished far behind many teams with worse CBs than our backups- not that Ange knew how to coach and improve them anyways.
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Can't agree with that at all. You had an 18/19 year old midfielder from the Championship with no experience playing as a starter in the backline because he was the best choice and and there's "many teams" with worse starters? Interested to know which clubs have worse starting CB's than a pairing of an 18 year old Archie Gray and Ben Davies? Can't imagine many swapping their two starters for that.
 
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