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Management Ange Postecoglou

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If a 10 game sample at the beginning of his journey here justifies more than a calendar year of mid-table stuff he has been serving since then, guys like Glasner who had similar spells with the likes of Palace should forever be immune to sacking. Don't think anybody would argue in favor of this kind of reasoning

I fail to see how he's different than the likes of Ten Hag. Looks like we're just delaying the inevitable like they did for months
 
The crunch games for Ange are Rangers away and United at home in the cup. If we lose both of them, he will deservedly be sacked.

It’s clear that our league season is already over but our only salvation is the cups. If Ange flops out of the Carabao and puts the EL in jeopardy then we can chuck him and at least get a new manager in so we can have a go at the FA Cup in January and try to save the EL.
 
CarrieFi said:
I struggle with the injury thing for two reasons.

1. We’ve put out the same stinker of a performance against Leicester and Brighton with a fit squad

2. How much of our injury issues are down to Ange himself? The way we play and train puts the players bodies under huge strain. We’ve had the same issues at the same point the last two seasons

That blame also lies with the board for leaving the squad so thin.
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Quite a bit I would say.

Main issue imho is board leaving us so thin. Compare and contrast our squad now with 2018.

I like the look of Bergvall, Gray, etc., they're talented kids, but I don't think it's right to expect them all to come in so early in the development and be our season basically.
 
theFOOTBALLlover said:
I get why people are annoyed but Ange is a proven winner. Tottenham have been through plenty of managers and have found no solution to winning a trophy for a long time now. Ange isn't just interested in winning, he is at the club to improve the place from top to bottom in order to consistently win trophies. To get there, there will be bumps.

Every time Tottenham lose, I see a lot of people losing their mind on here. Based on what I read, it is time for Tottenham to stop using the motto "To Dare is to Do". A lot of fans here aren't brave enough to challenge the established order and lose their minds every time there is a set back. They want to see their team park that bus at certain times. How is that brave? How is that ambitious? Maybe the motto should be "We won't dare because we are to scared to do".

Support the manager and his methods whilst he is at the club.
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Will you leave when he goes? Or before perhaps.
We don't like your guy. We don't want him here.
 
CarrieFi said:
I struggle with the injury thing for two reasons.

1. We’ve put out the same stinker of a performance against Leicester and Brighton with a fit squad

2. How much of our injury issues are down to Ange himself? The way we play and train puts the players bodies under huge strain. We’ve had the same issues at the same point the last two seasons

That blame also lies with the board for leaving the squad so thin.
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Yeah fair points.

No idea what happens in training, we seem to as a club always have issues with injuries. Even before Ange, a player would pick up a small injury and then it would escalate into a long time out.

The squad at the beginning of the season looked pretty good to me and I wouldn't have had any complaints at the time but due to the injuries and suspensions at such a crucial time of the season it's royally messed things up.

Someone like Richarlison who can't stay fit would have taking the pressure off Solanke who has been run into the ground.

Not getting in a decent replacement LB seems to be causing a problem too because it's taking its toll on Udogie who again is getting run into the ground.

Ange seemed to be doing a good job of rotating the midfield, i.e dropping Maddison, then Bentancur gets banned and its back to playing three times a week again.

Thursday/Sunday weeks are taking their toll, this season we have really struggled with it. In the past we didn't seem to struggle so much especially under Poch, god knows how we did it then.
 
StripiestPilot said:
The crunch games for Ange are Rangers away and United at home in the cup. If we lose both of them, he will deservedly be sacked.

It’s clear that our league season is already over but our only salvation is the cups. If Ange flops out of the Carabao and puts the EL in jeopardy then we can chuck him and at least get a new manager in so we can have a go at the FA Cup in January and try to save the EL.
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I think we need to either sack him now so the gamble can at least have a window to get 1 or 2 of his own players in.
If Ange stays, I would actually back Levy not to back Ange tbh. Why waste money on a dead duck?
Couple of loans with no obligation at best.
 
Barmby said:
At this stage I would be full Ange out if there was a credible person to come in and sort out the mess that is Tottenham Hotspur. But I can't think of a candidate. Nobody can turn this ship around. We are mediocre from top to bottom as a club and it seems to be by choice of the management.
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There is plenty of good coaches out there.

Every year a new one pops up like the Fiorentina manager Raffaele Palladino...who did some great work at Monza who have now dropped like a stone since his departure.
 
AudereEstFacere said:
I’m sick of the injuries excuse. Didn’t hear a word of that when we played Citeh though. Funny that.
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Why is it Newcastle and Chelsea can walk all over us last season with injury ravaged sides, but we can't beat Fulham and fucking Bournemouth. Or even play half decent football.
Our injury ravaged team had 2 international CBs. 1 international LB. 2 international CM's. An international RW. An international LW. We had the 84 year in a row Korean player of the year come off the bench.
And yet we're got murdered by a team who's entire fan base can fit in 1 of our stands
 
We sold Hojbjerg who was a superb squad player and a Mr.reliable who would always do a job when he came in. I understand selling him but we replaced him with Archie Gray who we are using as a back up right back because we also sold Emerson without replacing him and the club clearly don't rate Spence as an able back up. We pretty much replaced Lo Celso with Bergval too which doesn't feel like an upgrade so far.

We needed this injury crisis to realise that our overall squad is actually probably worse than last season.
 
Matt1882 said:
Why is it Newcastle and Chelsea can walk all over us last season with injury ravaged sides, but we can't beat Fulham and fucking Bournemouth. Or even play half decent football.
Our injury ravaged team had 2 international CBs. 1 international LB. 2 international CM's. An international RW. An international LW. We had the 84 year in a row Korean player of the year come off the bench.
And yet we're got murdered by a team who's entire fan base can fit in 1 of our stands
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We also bought and played their best player 🤣
 
Matt1882 said:
Why is it Newcastle and Chelsea can walk all over us last season with injury ravaged sides, but we can't beat Fulham and fucking Bournemouth. Or even play half decent football.
Our injury ravaged team had 2 international CBs. 1 international LB. 2 international CM's. An international RW. An international LW. We had the 84 year in a row Korean player of the year come off the bench.
And yet we're got murdered by a team who's entire fan base can fit in 1 of our stands
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Yeah, its a shame those internationals are Wales, Romania, Senegal, Ivory Coast and Sweden.

Udogie has played a grand total of 111 minutes for Italy. Certainly not first choice.
 
theFOOTBALLlover said:
On Ange: I've seen what he can do since his Brisbane Roar days. He is a proven winner and gets the teams to play football. When he was in the A-league, I was hoping that he would somehow end up at FC Porto (my club).

Minimum: Give him until the end of the season.

However, look at the squad and players brought in. Most won't peak for another few years.

Question: Who could come in and immediately challenge for the title and cups with this squad? No point changing a manager with a great philosophy to get the same results or worse.
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We don't need to challenge for the title ffs. Just not finish in the bottom half.

This ain't a fucking pub league here.
 
Top_Spur said:
Yeah fair points.

No idea what happens in training, we seem to as a club always have issues with injuries. Even before Ange, a player would pick up a small injury and then it would escalate into a long time out.
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My memory may be foggy but I think that some sort of major shift happened in our medical and sports science department midway through Poch's run. When the injury thing really picked up. So there must have been some sort of shake up behind closed door within the medical team. I know that one of our main sports science guys left and was replaced with Poch's kid (who has a degree tbf, but we were his first job).

We have also recently poached the head of sports science from West Ham for this season. But I assume that it will take some time for him to change things as well.
 
Matt1882 said:
Why is it Newcastle and Chelsea can walk all over us last season with injury ravaged sides, but we can't beat Fulham and fucking Bournemouth. Or even play half decent football.
Our injury ravaged team had 2 international CBs. 1 international LB. 2 international CM's. An international RW. An international LW. We had the 84 year in a row Korean player of the year come off the bench.
And yet we're got murdered by a team who's entire fan base can fit in 1 of our stands
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Just excuses upon excuses.

The amount of times I’ve seen “if we had x or y player”, but when they’re back, there’s no difference.

It’s the manager and tactics, compiled with those knobends at the top.

That’s the issue, but nothing will change so I guess we might as well get used to be an average football club with “the best stadium in the world TM”
 
Matt1882 said:
I think we need to either sack him now so the gamble can at least have a window to get 1 or 2 of his own players in.
If Ange stays, I would actually back Levy not to back Ange tbh. Why waste money on a dead duck?
Couple of loans with no obligation at best.
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A new manager would be hard at the moment…..team playing rubbish, half a team injured….hiding to nothing or good bit of leeway?
 
Fuck off you fat cunt
Fuck off you fat cunt
Ange Postecoglou
Fuck off you fat cunt





...just getting ready for the New Year's Celebrations.

🎉
 
Matt1882 said:
Why is it Newcastle and Chelsea can walk all over us last season with injury ravaged sides, but we can't beat Fulham and fucking Bournemouth. Or even play half decent football.
Our injury ravaged team had 2 international CBs. 1 international LB. 2 international CM's. An international RW. An international LW. We had the 84 year in a row Korean player of the year come off the bench.
And yet we're got murdered by a team who's entire fan base can fit in 1 of our stands
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It's because Ange is not half as clued up as he thinks he is. He cannot fathom that what works in low grade leagues won't translate at this level with the players he has. I've reluctantly come to that conclusion but I'm pretty convinced of it now. He's a guy who has a combine harvester and he'll use it whatever the job. When he's bringing in the hay, it's golden. Lovely big square bales. But then he uses it to trim a front garden and leave it looking like a nuclear fallout waste land, or drives to Costa in it and smashes into Fiestas and Puntos on the way. His lack of flexibility is making him and us look foolish.

The guy's 60 years old. He's not changing and we're not winning at this elite level with him. No-one is.

But I'm also washed out as regards the Spurs manager circus, so right his moment can't summon up the energy to care if Ange stays or goes. The next manager will also have to deal with some Lange prospects and players with half their eye on a bigger prize. Until the rectal tape worm that is Daniel Levy is out of the club, this cycle will go on and on.
 
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