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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
A strength and conditioning coach is very common thing now days and fitness coaches have been common place the last 20/30 years. At the moment Spurs have neither. Unlike with a best manager in the last 20 years there is no one on staff that does this. Ange actually sacked the strength and conditioning coach because he believes players know what is best for their own bodies.
You really think we don’t have any S&C coaches at the club atm?
 
Absolute nonsense. The spurs job is bigger than at least half of those you've listed.

Go back to the drawing board and start again.

You can fuck off with the likes of Newcastle, Ajax, Porto, Seville, Benfica, Dortmund, Atletico and RB Leipzig for a start. Not convinced that those Italian clubs are bigger jobs than the spurs one either, frankly.
RB Leipzig.

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Absolute nonsense. The spurs job is bigger than at least half of those you've listed.

Go back to the drawing board and start again.

You can fuck off with the likes of Newcastle, Ajax, Porto, Seville, Benfica, Dortmund, Atletico and RB Leipzig for a start. Not convinced that those Italian clubs are bigger jobs than the spurs one either, frankly.
Newcastle have more money for coach wages and will go higher for transfer fees and wages on elite players. If I wasn’t a spurs fan and deciding between the 2 as a manager, it wouldn’t be an easy decision. Especially looking at the way Newcastle stuck by Howe during their injury crisis last year and the way this club always mysteriously has training ground leaks before sacking a coach….
 
Newcastle have more money for coach wages and will go higher for transfer fees and wages on elite players. If I wasn’t a spurs fan and deciding between the 2 as a manager, it wouldn’t be an easy decision. Especially looking at the way Newcastle stuck by Howe during their injury crisis last year and the way this club always mysteriously has training ground leaks before sacking a coach….

That doesn't make them a bigger club/job than us.
 

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Some have questioned whether Postecoglou's training sessions have been too intense for a small, jaded group of players but Porro shot down such talk, making it clear that there was no time for heavy sessions among all of the matches and recovery time involved, with each player carefully managed through each week as much as possible.

"We have a plan for all of our training. Those players who aren't playing so much have their own plan to come back and me too, I train at the club but I also do my own work outside the club, recovery work, prevention of injury," he said.

"Everyone has their own schedule, if the training sessions are less intense it's for those players coming back, they have the training they need, and also for the players who are playing, we need a lot of recovery."
 
A strength and conditioning coach is very common thing now days and fitness coaches have been common place the last 20/30 years. At the moment Spurs have neither. Unlike with a best manager in the last 20 years there is no one on staff that does this. Ange actually sacked the strength and conditioning coach because he believes players know what is best for their own bodies.
You missed the joke
 
Or maybe the fact that Ange does not have a strength and conditioning coach or fitness coaches has something to do with it. He leaves the players to do their own gym work and concentrates on training with the ball.

Then on top of that Ange instructs the coaches and they drill the team. We then have a very inexperienced set of coaches most working for Spurs prior at a youth level.

Simple fact is Ange prefers that and seeing that none of these coaches are experts in sports science or fitness. Maybe just maybe that, the tactics we play and the fact we cannot rotate is feeding into an ever bigger injury crisis.

To absolve Ange of all blame is stupid and short sighted.

Dont'worry so much- there is nothing that can be done about it anyways.

Ange out crew will just need to be patient while everyone slowly figures out Ange isn't that great of a coach (or not). They'll have to hope that we are in a salvageable position by the time Ange is eventually sacked (or not).

Who knows? We may even win a couple games and slide safely into 10th place or so. Ange may even be retained despite our worst league finish since before the Ramos era.

What a time to be alive.
 
I mean, there are people who genuinely believe that managers of clubs like Bournemouth, Fulham, Brighton, Brentford would prefer staying where they are to coming here. Whether it's because they strongly overestimate how appealing other clubs are, or strongly underestimate how appealing this club can be, or a combination of both, they're very pessimistic about the type of managers we can attract.

Despite some valid complaints about our general level of spending, we still spend a fortune compared to the overwhelming majority of the clubs. We occasionally have to sell our best players, but then how many clubs are actually immune to that? In fact some, such as Ajax and Dortmund, take pride in their ability to do just that. I can't imagine them having lower turnover rates than us.

Despite another common complaint that Levy is an especially trigger-happy chairman, we're somewhere in the middle in terms of how often we change managers. Even if this wasn't the case, it still wouldn't be a deal breaker for most. Pretty much any manager gets the sack at some point in his career, it hardly damages one's reputation beyond repair. Average lifespan of a manager is around 18-24 months these days, there's nothing exceptional in terms of how we operate.

No matter how you look at it, this notion that no self-respecting manager would work with Levy/ENIC under any circumstances is not grounded in reality. In fact, majority of them would love to.
 
The lack of transfer activity just proves that the club and Levy have lost all faith in Ange. They aren't even giving him a chance to turn it around so you'd wonder why they have not just pulled the trigger and sacked him already? I thought the idea of giving Ange until May was you back him in January and atleast give him a fighter's chance of turning it around?

We are in the trenches now. Club is a total mess with no plan. They clearly already have their mind made up to sack Ange but are just delaying the inevitable and have no interest in supporting him in the meantime. It leaves us in the worst possible scenario where this horrific run of form just continues.

Either back him or sack him!!!! Make your mind up!!
 
I mean, there are people who genuinely believe that managers of clubs like Bournemouth, Fulham, Brighton, Brentford would prefer staying where they are to coming here. Whether it's because they strongly overestimate how appealing other clubs are, or strongly underestimate how appealing this club can be, or a combination of both, they're very pessimistic about the type of managers we can attract.

Despite some valid complaints about our general level of spending, we still spend a fortune compared to the overwhelming majority of the clubs. We occasionally have to sell our best players, but then how many clubs are actually immune to that? In fact some, such as Ajax and Dortmund, take pride in their ability to do just that. I can't imagine them having lower turnover rates than us.

Despite another common complaint that Levy is an especially trigger-happy chairman, we're somewhere in the middle in terms of how often we change managers. Even if this wasn't the case, it still wouldn't be a deal breaker for most. Pretty much any manager gets the sack at some point in his career, it hardly damages one's reputation beyond repair. Average lifespan of a manager is around 18-24 months these days, there's nothing exceptional in terms of how we operate.

No matter how you look at it, this notion that no self-respecting manager would work with Levy/ENIC under any circumstances is not grounded in reality. In fact, majority of them would love to.

Those managers would come in the Summer, not now though.
 
No matter how you look at it, this notion that no self-respecting manager would work with Levy/ENIC under any circumstances is not grounded in reality. In fact, majority of them would love to.

I doubt very much that they'd love to. Levy would be a downside to what could be a great job.
It would be like quitting a stable job where you're performing well and are respected, to take a job paying more, but at a company that you know has a track record for screwing employees.

I'm not sure exactly why people deem us to be such a massive club, because we won a trophy 15 years ago? Because we have a new stadium?
We have pedigree from past success, but that was 60 years ago. But a big club....I'm not sure. We're a rich club, but we're not particularly successful, especially given our riches. We've had great players in the past, but no better than the Milans, Bayern, or even Ajax and Dortmund.

So what exactly makes up the massive club that managers would love to work at?
We have a recent track record of putting speed bumps in careers, of both players and managers.
The whole club needs an overhaul, because there just isn't a winning mentality. Even when Levy decides to spend money, the recruitment is beyond pathetic for the most part, every now and again we strike gold, like Bale and Modric, but they don't hang around. Which is weird considering what a huge club we are....
 
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Let’s be honest. How many bigger jobs are out there than the Tottenham job, maybe 5 clubs in England (city, pool, Woolwich, Chelsea and united) Bayern, the two Spanish giants, juventus maybe, and for money and city PSG. That isn’t a huge amount of jobs for the 1000’s of managers competing for roles. Plus 90% of the above have younger coaches who should be at the job for at least 3 more years. That’s a lifetime in management! if Iraola has a bad season at Bournemouth next year (maybe two games a week, likely sell their best players during the summer etc) he might never get a shot at a big job again. I think with our young squad and similar style he would jump at the chance. We could also easily pay him £5-6m a year for a good long contract which dwarfs his 2 year £1m per season at Bournemouth
maybe an argument for atletico too, but thats about it. PSG is a weird one and as soon as them owners are gone so are they. would say its very close with juve too, they are far from the force they were decades ago. the lure of the premier league is huge for us.

if iraola is genuinely snubbing us then we are in trouble. its the next logic step in his managerial career.
 
Every manager we've ever had has ended up being sacked for "being terrible". Even the great ones. It's what tends to happen to happen to managers, and the fact Benitez has three under his belt doesn't mean shit in isolation.

Further, claiming him having Everton in 15th is a "failure" is odd considering they've been circling the drop for the best part of 5 years. It's par for the course for them.

His time at Newcastle was widely seen as a success, given the constraints he was under.

Lest we forget he won the Spanish league with Valencia, the Champions League with Liverpool, and the EL with Chelsea during his period as an interim. He's no mug, he's familiar with short term jobs, and would without doubt keep us in the division. Probably set up our defence well for the next manager too. Could do a lot worse than Benitez.
Yeah but his last 3 jobs have seen him sacked inside his first season twice.
He went down with Newcastle (not his faukt) and brought them back up.

I have big doubts he would actually improve us at all tbh.
 
I couldn't give a toss what the United fans think of the Glazers. We aren't in the same league.

They sacked ETH after he won the League Cup & FA Cup in 2 seasons, while finishing 4th & 8th in the league. You think that happens at Spurs?

You think Levy would spend £85M for Antony, £70 million for Casemiro and £55 million for Martinez in one window?

You're delusional bud.
I don't quite know why you've got yourself in a tizz here.
I fucking hate Levy and ENIC and can quite clearly see that, despite any fiddling of the books by the Glazers, they're far more interested in actual success at playing football than the crooks in charge of Spurs.
 
I think any narrative that Iraola, Frank, Silva or Mckenna turn us down in the Summer is false and just being overly pessimistic. I think they'd be reluctant to leave mid-season and we'd be even more reluctant to pay the premium to get them mid-season hence why I've always been an advocate of giving Ange until May and then getting the right man in the Summer.

But this idea that they'd turn down Spurs to stay at their current role isn't reality. They'd all make the move. The only danger to losing out on them would be if other big clubs were in the market for them. But if the choice is either staying at Bournemouth/Brentford/Fulham/Ipswich or joining Spurs then they all make the move.
 
I think any narrative that Iraola, Frank, Silva or Mckenna turn us down in the Summer is false and just being overly pessimistic. I think they'd be reluctant to leave mid-season and we'd be even more reluctant to pay the premium to get them mid-season hence why I've always been an advocate of giving Ange until May and then getting the right man in the Summer.

But this idea that they'd turn down Spurs to stay at their current role isn't reality. They'd all make the move. The only danger to losing out on them would be if other big clubs were in the market for them. But if the choice is either staying at Bournemouth/Brentford/Fulham/Ipswich or joining Spurs then they all make the move.


ALL 3 would come right now if we could agree the release with their clubs.
 
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