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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Glasner, who finished 11th in the 18 team Bundesliga, just 9 points from the drop, because he dedicated all the club's resources to a victorious Europa League campaign.

Frank, who in four PL seasons at Brentford without European football (nor any particularly deep domestic cup run) to draw away energies has never accumulated within 6 points or 4 league places as what Ange did with a similarly open slate in his first season here.

I keep getting reverse-polarized toward Ange by the weakness of the arguments of the people who think he's just a total fraud.
This is true but look at the resources Frank works with? Ange has probably spent more in two years than Brentford in their history.
 
Let's not forget what Ange has had to deal with.

1. No Kane, for the first time at Spurs in 10 years
2. Whole back 5 out injured for several weeks, and CBs for months, twice.
3. Two transfer windows of only Solanke and Danso with any real experience - the rest were kids that he had to play because of injuries.
4. A cup final without Kulu, Maddison and Bergval.
5. Playing Timo Werner, because of injuries
6. Not inheriting a squad anywhere near as good as the one Poch had.
7. Son past his best and offering little for most of the season.

And he still won us our first European trophy since 1984 and our first trophy of any note in 17 years - many tried and failed. He's also wiped out all opportunities for those tired 'Spurs trophy cabinet' jokes, and many others.

The one blot on his copybook was finishing 17th. All things being considered, it's a small price to pay (means f'all now) for CL next season, and bringing in better players etc.

Maybe with a good transfer window, less injuries and more strength in depth, Ange just might pull off more than another 4-0 at the Etihad.

So, if Ange has to go, the guy coming in better be some amazing manager, because if he's not, it will just be another reset, before the next one.
Poch inherited a better squad. I think he had bentalab and mason in midfield two young kids. A young Dier, walker, rose, no Kane, and a lot of dross. Yet he got 5th and LC final. 2nd season we were in a title race. So good progression. Ok no trophy but at least we had plenty of cutting edge ganes as it were.
 
Those 1st games were just "new manager "bounce" clearly...then he put his stamp on the club...
If he's back next season, it will be the same thing but without those 10 games...
If you look at things by half-seasons, I believe we have been worse every half-season than the one before. Finishing as everyone knows, perilously close to the drop zone.

Returning him next year under the auspices of "Well we can sack him after 10 games if we're bad" wastes the whole summer, the whole CL campaign next year, and the chance at anyone who might be available this summer in favor of the sort of manager who's available in October.
 
I think the difference between us is that the disgrace of having lost 22 fucking times in the league far outweighs the temporary joy at winning a trophy.
We played Utd in the final. The only team in the competition shitter than us. Tim fucking Sherwood could have managed to get us a win in that final.
But he didn't win a Final though.... NONE of them did!

If winning a Trophy was so easy, then we woulda done it in 2002, 2006, 2010, 2015-16, 2019... and so on...
but we didn't.

We found a cheat code to CL football by 'only having to win' the Europa League, and not have to worry about the League...

It's not to be sniffed at...
 
The main difference was quality and the standard cup final stuff like not conceding a bullshit penalty within a minute.

It's not all mentality. Liverpool didn't have to play that well but they had the inherent quality to worry us and they had the individual defenders who didn't make a single error all game and a brilliant goalkeeper. United had Onana and Luke Shaw doing their routine.

If Ange had come up against that Liverpool team in the same final, we'd have been pummelled. United were a gift of a team to play.
It was shown up in 2 league games this season and 2nd leg semi. How many goals did we concede to dippers this season?
 
We finished 17th?? On 38 points ?????

Fuck me he’s not a prophet because he predicted we would win something and we did. He threw the rest of the season away to focus hard on what he knew was by far the easiest thing to win because the calibre of opposition is incredibly low compared to the Prem.

‘Delivers’ - guy won a trophy but football has been shocking for a year and a half and we’ve seen our worst league season in forever. He hasn’t delivered shit. The EL win gets him a thank you and a goodbye cheque.
I don’t think Ange threw anything away. He has been very opportunist by suggesting he chose to ignore the league from Jan onwards to concentrate on the Europa League. I just don’t see Levy letting this happen with each place lost depriving us of valuable PL prize money especially when victory in the EL was far from guaranteed bearing in mind we hadn’t won it for 41 years. He is just a clueless shit manager who has pulled the wool of the eyes of some of our fan base to excuse our diabolical league performance. However if I was a season ticket holder I would be tempted to call Ange’s bluff by writing to Levy to demand a refund of my season ticket
 
Just saying things doesn't make it true. It has to be believable.

Liverpool were an extremely capable team who had finished on 98 points and were one of Europe's finest teams with an incredibly stable core. World class centre back, defensive mid, goalkeeper, right winger, world class coach. Of course they believed they would win more than the team who had barely scraped fourth.

Ange came across a team who yes, have the history and name of Manchester United, but the reality was an out of his depth coach with zero elite level experience, a patchwork squad which was one place above us in the league, who we had already beaten numerous times in the season. Of course our squad believed !!!

If we'd played even say this seasons Newcastle in that final, I highly doubt we win no matter how many times Ange says we could .. because Howe is saying the same fucking thing and he has a stronger team which has beaten us already and is way higher in the league.
I think Ange’s tactics giving manure the ball if done against teams like pool, goons or toon even Villa and we would have shipped in 5. We had not attacking threat at all.
 
This is true but look at the resources Frank works with? Ange has probably spent more in two years than Brentford in their history.
We've spent more, sure, but Brentford are actually in the top half of the net spend table over the past four years, they've reinvested the fees they've gotten for their big players and then some.

Reportedly a cheap wage bill of course, it's a club recruitment strategy based on a volume chances taken on well-scouted younger players, but Frank has had decent resources to work with throughout his time there, it's not a relegation fodder squad.

And truly, you look back at the players they had in the Championship and wonder how they didn't walk that league. That's an unfair stick to beat Frank with, but it does make you wonder whether this is a real superstar coach.
 
If you look at things by half-seasons, I believe we have been worse every half-season than the one before. Finishing as everyone knows, perilously close to the drop zone.

Returning him next year under the auspices of "Well we can sack him after 10 games if we're bad" wastes the whole summer, the whole CL campaign next year, and the chance at anyone who might be available this summer in favor of the sort of manager who's available in October.
it would be right up there in the top 3 dumbest things levy has done. would show hes as clueless as the idiot he has hired.
 
I don’t think Ange threw anything away. He has been very opportunist by suggesting he chose to ignore the league from Jan onwards to concentrate on the Europa League. I just don’t see Levy letting this happen with each place lost depriving us of valuable PL prize money especially when victory in the EL was far from guaranteed bearing in mind we hadn’t won it for 41 years. He is just a clueless shit manager who has pulled the wool of the eyes of some of our fan base to excuse our diabolical league performance. However if I was a season ticket holder I would be tempted to call Ange’s bluff by writing to Levy to demand a refund of my season ticket
binned the league in jan, but rushed back two CB's in april for a pointless game, putting their careers in jeopardy....yea sounds right.
 
But he didn't win a Final though.... NONE of them did!

If winning a Trophy was so easy, then we woulda done it in 2002, 2006, 2010, 2015-16, 2019... and so on...
but we didn't.


We found a cheat code to CL football by 'only having to win' the Europa League, and not have to worry about the League...

It's not to be sniffed at...
It has to be admitted that the field in Europa was quite weak, and the final was a punch-up between two armless men.

That answers the question "if it's so easy why don't we do it all the time". Because it's not so easy all the time.
 
We've spent more, sure, but Brentford are actually in the top half of the net spend table over the past four years, they've reinvested the fees they've gotten for their big players and then some.

Reportedly a cheap wage bill of course, it's a club recruitment strategy based on a volume chances taken on well-scouted younger players, but Frank has had decent resources to work with throughout his time there, it's not a relegation fodder squad.

And truly, you look back at the players they had in the Championship and wonder how they didn't walk that league. That's an unfair stick to beat Frank with, but it does make you wonder whether this is a real superstar coach.
Who’s the superstar coach you have in mind then?

If a guy who can take one of the lowest spending teams to midtable and have them continually scoring goals even after losing their best goals scorers isn’t a superstar coach, I’d like to know who is.
 
But he didn't win a Final though.... NONE of them did!

If winning a Trophy was so easy, then we woulda done it in 2002, 2006, 2010, 2015-16, 2019... and so on...
but we didn't.

We found a cheat code to CL football by 'only having to win' the Europa League, and not have to worry about the League...

It's not to be sniffed at...
Then we get relegated next season while playing CL football
 
It has to be admitted that the field in Europa was quite weak, and the final was a punch-up between two armless men.

That answers the question "if it's so easy why don't we do it all the time". Because it's not so easy all the time.
We've lost some absolute jokes of UEFA Cup knockout ties over the modern period, a fair few of them because we were prioritizing the league, a couple of them being something resembling actively trying to lose.

Forget winning the thing, we hadn't been to a semifinal in the Levy era.

I am thankful Ange gave it pride of place and got the job done, it's a huge monkey of the club's back that we'll benefit from whether he's here or not.
 
We've lost some absolute jokes of UEFA Cup knockout ties over the modern period, a fair few of them because we were prioritizing the league, a couple of them being something resembling actively trying to lose.

Forget winning the thing, we hadn't been to a semifinal in the Levy era.

I am thankful Ange gave it pride of place and got the job done, it's a huge monkey of the club's back that we'll benefit from whether he's here or not.
Yes, but one man's pride of place is another man's 'nothing else to play for this year' / 'it's my only shot to save my job.'

There really wasn't anything else to focus on. According to Ange's defenders the league position is meaningless if we aren't in any of the European football places, so there's nothing else he or anyone would have done.
 
There has to be something in it. There's a pattern in there somewhere.

It seemed crazy so I asked Gemini, which confirmed

I asked ChatGPT a couple of questions.

Ange is the 7th best Spurs manager when ranked as a top 20.

And in a WWE style Royal rumble these would be the final 4.

Winner: Bill Nicholson

  • Why? A true Tottenham legend, Bill Nicholson combined tactical brilliance with steely resolve. He’s got that gritty 1960s British toughness, and after all those trophies, he’d be determined to prove himself the best.

📊

  1. Bill Nicholson
  2. Harry Redknapp
  3. Keith Burkinshaw
  4. Mauricio Pochettino (he’d be the underdog, athletic and determined, but ultimately overshadowed by the older, more experienced “veterans.”)

This is where technology has led us.

Well led me.
 
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