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Making the Europa League group stage is much more lucrative financially, therefore impacting our transfer business and wage budget much greater and thus the ultimate goal of winning the league, than even winning the cartoon cup.
Heart says beating Chelsea matters way more. But if we beat Chelsea, lose to Maccabi, and have to sell Kane or Son next summer because of it or have our transfer budget reduced by £30M, then advancing to the 5th round of the cartoon cup is gonna be some cold solace.
What has started?
I disagreed because of the ridiculous notion there is a whining, eternal Jose out brigade.
If it is to be a white flag, then I really do hope it is a team of 2nd string players, don't field a single 1st 11 or 13 choice player and let everyone know about it.. Pressure will be right off and who knows, could get a result. Cannot risk any sort of injury, let alone extra fatigue.
I would prefer a Thursday and Sunday win against Man Ure, without any doubt at all.
I would prefer a Thursday and Sunday win against Man Ure, without any doubt at all.
Sad we have to sacrifice a potential trophy, but needs must.
We HAVEN'T played a single League Cup game this season!!! We got a bye.
I was VERY complimentary about how we played on Sunday. Must have written something along those lines about 5 times now.
The fact remains had Poch come out and said what Jose has today he would have been slaughtered. He was routinely slaughtered and never, ever said he would throw a game. He had the balls to say that CL and PL were the objectives he was aiming for and these were the priorities of his Spurs. He NEVER mentioned throwing a game, in fact he got us to a Final and a Semi-Final of said competition Jose is throwing. (He might be just fucking with fat Frank and bluffing him into him playing his kids whilst he plays the bulk of our first team, I don't have a crystal ball).
It really is as simple as that. Will those who slaughtered Poch stand up and be counted and slaughter Jose? I see nothing wrong in saying this.
BTW I'm not slaughtering Jose on this, I agree with him, just as I agreed with Poch.
Spoiler alert! This weeks result.
We knock Chelsea out with a last minute goal from lucas.
We beat macca bingo 3-0 with debut goals from the deeney man & bentekers. OG too.
Sadly we lose 3-1 to United. Kane gets us back in it after a rashford brace, only for Greenwood to kill the game off.
We knock Chelsea out with a last minute goal from lucas.
We beat macca bingo 3-0 with debut goals from the deeney man & bentekers. OG too.
Sadly we lose 3-1 to United. Kane gets us back in it after a rashford brace, only for Greenwood to kill the game off.
As the old saying goes. What did Llorente ever do for us anyway!!
Llorente / The Romans. You know what I mean.
I agree with several things you said, and my optimism for the moment is based more on gut feeling than rationality
Last year was very patchy. Some very good performance (in relation to our situation), but also many set backs and too many games whose result was depending on the accuracy of the opponents' striker than on us. I haven't watched the Chavs away game, but in the one at home they absolutely owned us and that started making me feel that we were not top 4 material
I (like to) think that yesterday's game was an indication that things are shifting. I saw more cohesion, more pressing, more ruthlessness, but even before that I am starting feeling optimistic about our players gradually reaching their best, both the new ones and some critical case like Ndombele (I feel so happy for that!)
I am not obsessed by trophies either and I think there is a big difference between one trophy and another. Sadly, the two domestic cups are not the best indicator of how good we are (as much as I would love winning the FA cup, the most fascinating competition in the world).
However, winning trophies is a good step forward towards establishing ourselves as a top club (which we will become in this decade, I am pretty sure about that)
Ultimately, the biggest indicator of how good we are is our finishing position in the EPL. Winning the Europa League would be pretty fucking good too, as in the final stage there are some top quality club playing. If we miss on the top 4, I would say that our season could be acceptable, but not impressive. If we win the EL and we end up in the top 4 , it would be very good to me
Would I be happy seeing shit football and winning some trophy? The answers are:
- It depends on the trophy
- Not for ever. It would be a good and needed progress (also it would remove some anxiety that somehow is lingering around our club) but ultimately what I remember more than anything is the feeling of the whole season, how much I look forward to each game and how I feel during and after each game. I feel that we will start seeing some good stuff more and more, also because of the quality that Reggie and Bale will bring. The way we played yesterday makes me feel optimistic
I don't think I will remember Mou for the flare of our football, but I think we can get one step further with him. We can, I am not saying we will. Let's see where we will be at the end of next season
In general I find that too many people unconsciously think that playing ugly and winning ugly is the same thing. It's not. Winning ugly is about attitude and taking your chances, regardless of the tactics and the flare. Playing ugly and winning some games because the opponents failed to score more goals than we do can create a lot of illusions in some people
The second misconception is that if you play attractive football you don't win. I have seen some pretty good stuff in the last few years from the dippers and City, or from any CL quarter finalist and I wouldn't exactly call it unattractive football!
I think with Mou we could get to some acceptable level of attractiveness, and in some game we have seen it already
I would feel livid if lose tomorrow, but I will have to accept that, and I am glad that Mou is making the right priorities
Time will tell
If we lose to Maccabi with half of our team, it's gonna be embarrassing. I don't think people realise how massive gap is there. We should easily win with rotation team.
Losing to Chelsea can't be good.
Financially it is.
Play the u23s,plus a few fringe players. Tell them if you win, you play the next round.
They might surprise us
They might surprise us
Losing to Chelsea in the LC will be completely forgotten if we beat them in the league, which actually matters.
We make more money from preseason activities like the ICC than we would from winning the LC. Its very literally a non-entity.
If we were talking about an FA Cup match there may be a debate...but the LC? Fuck no - last priority at all times.
They'll get absolutely battered.Play the u23s,plus a few fringe players. Tell them if you win, you play the next round.
They might surprise us
Eh? We're facing the prospect of a 3 game week this week; as we did last week... The buy was a bonus; dunno what you pointing that out is meant to establish.....
Eh? I never mentioned Newcastle or performances, so save your exasperation on that front.... It's not warranted.
You may agree with both, but the fact remains; it's false equivalence on your part...
Poch: Matter of philosophy.... "Domestics are for egos."
Jose: Wants it all, but reluctantly conceding to circumstance.
The 'apologies' you deemed appropriate, in fact aren't.
I've said everything there is for me to say..... I'm done.
Both financially and glory wise, the Europa match is so much more important.