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As soon as I posted this I remembered one of their great "exclusives", back in December 2009
Gareth Bale (you may have heard about this guy), Pavlyuchenko and Zoran Tosic (Man. Utd.) were on their way to Sporting Lisbon on loan. Deals were done and dusted, 100% confirmed, players would be arriving in Lisbon within a few days!
Nothing happened
To me I haven't seen much to indicate that he is at the PL level. He has been fine in the lower level games in the EL but I wouldn't be comfortable if Kane was out for a few weeks having him fill in.
Also, there aren't really a lot of guys that score 15 goals in a PL season so that would put him in the top half of strikers in the league and I don't see him close to that level.
Fair enough, I think he can do it and your more skeptical. We will have to see when he gets a good run of games but that ain’t gonna happen till Kane gets injured and that is never a good thing.
It's not 1995 anymore. 20-25m is the price for a back up striker.
But with that money you usually can at least get a guy that is at least one of: younger, could also play out wide or is HG. With Vinicius having none of those things it is a lot to pay for not much.
To be fair, I'm not sure we can give a good assessment of any attacker this season because of Mou and his fucked up way of setting up our squad.
I think that Vinicius certainly hasn't be used correctly, and have said here there really is no reason that Kane should have seen a minute of EL time this year, outside of bringing him on when we were tied with Zagreb.
But I also think that we know for the most part what we have with Vinicius. He is a 25 year old striker only player. That is not going to change. He isn't able to play anything other than striker, he isn't likely to take any big steps forward in development at his age or gain new skills that he hasn't shown yet.
I don't think he is a terrible option as a squad player for us, although I would like a better option to replace Kane in the PL if he went down. I just think for the money that people are talking about we can get more out of a player for that money than what Vinicius offers.
Younger? He's 26 that's fine we need players for now not to develop in 3 or 4 years - we have Parrott and Scarlett.
Play out wide: How many proper number 9's can play out wide? Answer: not many. If you do find someone who can they are likely in the Rashford and Martial role and guess what? They will cost an awful lot more than 20m
HG: Yes he's not HG but tell me where are these home grown strikers available for 20m who have scored goals for a club of Spurs stature this season. (Once again they would be way more than 20m) If you can't name potential options then it's just talk.
Also, none of this considers the elephant in the room that the player has to be happy to play second fiddle to Kane, Vinicius has proven he can do this and we have no reason to believe he causes any issues behind the scenes.
My stance is just do a loan deal for another year so we can avoid the outlay (unless 15m does the job) and spend money on other areas.
We should go for another loan with a more sensible option to buy. I would not be comfortable paying any more than £10m for him in the current circumstances. What precious little money we have needs to be directed towards central defence and central midfield, no point spending it on a position where we already have the best player in the world.
If all they are going to be is back-ups like Vinicius then yes they certainly can and should be younger.
I am not sure why we have to limit ourselves to a "proper" number 9. There are a lot of guys who can play in the striker role that can also play out wide as well and they don't all cost Rashford level money.
Why do they have to have scored for a Spurs stature club this year? Watkins have never scored for a Spurs stature club but he would be a better option than Vinicius. Wilson has never scored for a Spurs level club but again another HG player that is better than Vinicius.
I can name potential options and have. I didn't say they have to fill all the requirements of young, cheap, HG and positionally flexible but they should at least have one of those attributes that is not too much to ask.
Lovely guy. Vinícius doesn't speak English at all. He is still adapting, in every sense. He didn't stop scoring, though.
I'm saying this because I think he can be even better next season, if he stays. This is what he did one year ago, in Portugal:
If we can keep him for next-to-nothing, then OK, but I'd rather take a punt on Scarlett.
I guess this game puts his case to bed.
9 out of 10 times ball just bounced off him. And 2 times he had chance to impact game, once he was hopelessly offside and 2nd time did not manage to get to ball before Newcastle defender (later ruled out for Kane offside, but at the moment, he was not aware of it).
And this performance came on the back of starting last EPL game.. against one of the worst EPL sides.
Proving you can score against 4th and 5th in Austrian league and again Bulgarian champion does not prove you have what it takes to make it in EPL.
Fully agreed with
Mrs Perryman
- rather let Scarlett have a go then to pay significant money for medicore foreigner who is already in prime footballers age...
9 out of 10 times ball just bounced off him. And 2 times he had chance to impact game, once he was hopelessly offside and 2nd time did not manage to get to ball before Newcastle defender (later ruled out for Kane offside, but at the moment, he was not aware of it).
And this performance came on the back of starting last EPL game.. against one of the worst EPL sides.
Proving you can score against 4th and 5th in Austrian league and again Bulgarian champion does not prove you have what it takes to make it in EPL.
Fully agreed with
Mrs Perryman
- rather let Scarlett have a go then to pay significant money for medicore foreigner who is already in prime footballers age...
I like him, strong, deceptively fast and is a good finisher
Unfortunately he can't trap a ball. In the PL if the ball bounces 5 yards off you every time you touch it, you are not going to make it.
Newcastle paid £20 million for Callum Wilson and Villa paid not much more than 25 million for Ollie Watkins.
I think it is less the money and more that they know the only time they will ever play will be early rounds of the cups or if Harry is injured.