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Guido

"Legacy Fan"
Not sure about that. Hojbjerg has double, sometimes close to triple the touches and passes Dele manages per game. They had the same touches vs Wolves, but Hojbjerg managed nearly 20 more passes and Dele lost the ball 19 times to Hojbjerg's 4. Hojbjerg was probably our best player vs Watford, besting Dele in every stat but times fouled. Played an equal game vs City, Dele making more defensive actions and Hojbjerg doing a lot more in possession.
Fair enough. But in the role of an 8, he's making more pressures, more tackles creates more turnovers in our mid-block from where we launch our counters from. He's also joining those counters more than PEH. There are obviously nuances to every player dynamic but right now PEH hasn't performed anything like as well as Dele has across our games (again not really including either for the Palace game as we were so poorly set up I'm putting that squarely on the shoulders of Nuno).

Do I like our midfield 3 and how it's panning out under Nuno? NO!! But that's a completely different judgement.
 

Guido

"Legacy Fan"
I'm sorry but if Dele is not scoring goals he's doing nothing.

If you want him to run around a lot and press well then you may as well start Winks or bring back Sissoko.

He's not good enough for this team. Lo Celso or Ndombele or Gil in that role would give far much more to the team.

Face it with him in the team we are worse because we lack creativity and goal threat. The player who plays in that Dele position has to do far more in an attacking sense.
Why don't you but these expectations and measures on PEH?

What have you seen of Gil where he would be good in mid-block winning turnovers in the defensive third? Gil isn't an 8!!!
 
Fair enough. But in the role of an 8, he's making more pressures, more tackles creates more turnovers in our mid-block from where we launch our counters from. He's also joining those counters more than PEH. There are obviously nuances to every player dynamic but right now PEH hasn't performed anything like as well as Dele has across our games (again not really including either for the Palace game as we were so poorly set up I'm putting that squarely on the shoulders of Nuno).

Do I like our midfield 3 and how it's panning out under Nuno? NO!! But that's a completely different judgement.
Not trying to be spiky or anything, just thought you exaggerated a bit there. In support of Hojbjerg, I think his performance vs Watford was better than Dele has played all season. Agree with you though, Dele has been doing well in a fairly uninspiring gameplan. Could have scored vs Watford, vital in winning the penalty vs Wolves, and a really dogged display vs City.

We won't look so bad once Gio/Ndombele start playing regular minutes , and Dele should find himself in goal-scoring positions more often with them on the field.
 

Guido

"Legacy Fan"
Not trying to be spiky or anything, just thought you exaggerated a bit there. In support of Hojbjerg, I think his performance vs Watford was better than Dele has played all season. Agree with you though, Dele has been doing fairly well in a fairly uninspiring gameplan. Could have scored vs Watford, vital in winning the penalty vs Wolves, and a really dogged display vs City.

We won't look so bad once Gio/Ndombele start playing regular minutes , and Dele should find himself in goal-scoring positions more often with them on the field.
Yeah, I did lol. Getting absolutely fed up with people literally spouting crap about a player with total and complete disregard for the role they are performing.

Midfield has been our weakest position for ages (I'd say since we lost Dembele). The only things I like about it are Nuno has us far more aggressive (not vs Palace) and the shape is very disciplined, so it's very effective without the ball. But with the ball unless it's spinning a counter-attack it's hopeless.

Ndombele is as I'm sure most of us know is the key for us beginning to control a midfield when on the ball, for me he's vital. I completely understand why he's not been selected, you don't select a player that handed in a transfer request. Now the window is over it was good to see him back in the squad as I presume he's now being reintegrated, I was fuming he wasn't involved vs Palace. But is Ndombele as good without the ball as Skipp?? (and Skipp is quite some way from being good here, he's beginning to hold his own but in each game, he's had some significant poor moments - which is expected). I am expecting him to be fitter though, all the players look so under Nuno compared with the Dinosaur, so I'm assuming the same with him.
 
No, he played as a winger (although I have to be honest I've kinda forgotten the formations we played, think we went 3ATB for home leg?? with Sess in midfield?? Why can't I remember this? fuck getting old!)
I didn’t watch it tbh 😂

I don’t see him playing upfront in a 433. Just looks a typical Spainish player who always shows and is super comfortable
In taking the ball. Something our other zombies don’t do
 

todd1882

Airfixx's cup final
Learn a thing about what Dele is doing now
Right, I'm the one that has to learn says the guy that posts a youtube video in lieu of stating what he thinks and who uses running stats as support for player quality. I'm starting to get the idea that you don't know what you are talking about Guido.
Now best leave me out of this tit-for-tat nonsense
Yes, best you leave yourself out of it. No one forced you to reply Guido...you are not a victim here. And your need to reply is interesting considering you said this...
For fuck sake just crack on all by yourself, you don't need me. I don't need you.
...just yesterday. I guess we should all be happy that you didn't resort to a diatribe of personal attack in your newly found need to reply.
If you wish to post something intellectually challenging
So intellectually engage an irrational person? That'll work. We should just try and get the Anti-vaxxers and Qanon to see reason, right? That's where you are Guido. The only people seeing positive in this player are irrational at this point...and they deserve ridicule not our understanding. The body of evidence is damning and conclusive. And just like the MouAnon who didn't see or didn't care what the dino was doing to our club. You are and have been there but with Dele. Reliance on this player hurts our club; when Dele scores or runs far it's his singular awesomeness but when he's shit it's everyone else's fault.
you've literally posted NOTHING other than "he's crap".
Welp, in my defense and if this was all I posted at least it has the benefit of being accurate. And I bet I did it without personally attacking you or playing the victim.

But again, this isn't about me Guido. It's about Dele. So feel free to regale us with your critical take on his Palace exploits...you know, those which you can begrudgingly attribute to him. And give it the same college try you give his running stats. Or you can tell us how awesome you think he'll perform vs Chelsea at the weekend. That's of particular interest. I'm willing to compare predictions on that. Are you? I'll bet that he'll be shit. But then again maybe he'll run a lot. Or maybe he'll be 'not-so-shit' in the ECL and you'll disregard his Chelsea play?
 
Why don't you but these expectations and measures on PEH?

What have you seen of Gil where he would be good in mid-block winning turnovers in the defensive third? Gil isn't an 8!!!
PEH is a DM? We bought him from Southamptona as a CM/DM.

Gil Played well in a midfield position v Pacos at home

Dele is a CAM. He has to do much better.
 

Airfixx

"Honka Espoo... We'll see you next year....."
PEH is a DM? We bought him from Southamptona as a CM/DM.

Gil Played well in a midfield position v Pacos at home

Dele is a CAM. He has to do much better.

Depends very much upon who's playing him and what he's been asked to do:

Poch played him as an aux striker coming from the left, sometimes more central and as a box to box (#8).....

CP aside, Dele's been played as a #8.
 
Depends very much upon who's playing him and what he's been asked to do:

Poch played him as an aux striker coming from the left, sometimes more central and as a box to box (#8).....

CP aside, Dele's been played as a #8.
and how many assists/goals has he got.

The creativity isn't there and neither are the goals.

Even the likes of Hojbjerg who played at 6 last season registered more involvements than him. Cmon..
 

Airfixx

"Honka Espoo... We'll see you next year....."
and how many assists/goals has he got.

The creativity isn't there and neither are the goals.

Even the likes of Hojbjerg who played at 6 last season registered more involvements than him. Cmon..

"C'mon" what???

I simply set you straight in terms of his position.

That doesn't transpose to me saying he played well on Saturday.
 

AlabamaSpur

Tier 1
and how many assists/goals has he got.

The creativity isn't there and neither are the goals.

Even the likes of Hojbjerg who played at 6 last season registered more involvements than him. Cmon..
He plays in a different role under Nuno. you cant expect to him to have as many assists and goals. Guy is 2nd in the PL in blocks and pressures and 3rd in pressures in the defensive half. So he is basically an 8
 
He plays in a different role under Nuno. you cant expect to him to have as many assists and goals. Guy is 2nd in the PL in blocks and pressures and 3rd in pressures in the defensive half. So he is basically an 8
"C'mon" what???

I simply set you straight in terms of his position.

That doesn't transpose to me saying he played well on Saturday.
He got 3 goals in the last 2 calendar years so far in the Premier league

Its shocking. He's not good enough.

And this new role your suggesting. Maybe Sissoko did those stats and better..

Fed up of all these Dele sympathisers. He's shit.
 

Airfixx

"Honka Espoo... We'll see you next year....."
He got 3 goals in the last 2 calendar years so far in the Premier league

Its shocking. He's not good enough.

And this new role your suggesting. Maybe Sissoko did those stats and better..

Fed up of all these Dele sympathisers. He's shit.

Stop with with your boring straw-manning.... Telling you the facts of what position he plays/played isn't sympathising either.... It's just stating a fact.
 
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