Director of Football?

[Tucker]

What's all this stuff about Franco Baldini then? Can't we just get David Pleat back and be done with it

 

[sammyspurs]

Chief scout/ DoF....although I think Levy will still be the driving force behind our transfers.

I was totally against bringing back a "DoF" after Ramos, and our subsequent rise with a traditional system. But I think it depends on the personnel, and their working relationship more than either system per se.

There are actually alot of benefits to both systems, but again, it all depends on who you have working for you. Santini and Arneson was a disaster, as Santini obviously felt he had been tricked.

Comolli was a bit of a twonk, but he did made some decent signings too.....just so happens that Ramos didnt want to play people where they were meant to play....

 

[Lister]

I think it depends on the personnel, and their working relationship more than either system per se.

Exactly.

There is a lot of bed wetting going on as soon as dof is mentioned, which is really frustrating.

ANY management set up can be wildly successful if the people within it are compatible, just as ANY management set up can fail if they are not.

IMO the dof set up is a good one, in that the coach gets to focus on the team performing almost exclusively, while someone with connections can scout players with the same level of involvement.

 

[yiddo2786]

I think it depends on the personnel, and their working relationship more than either system per se.

Exactly.

There is a lot of bed wetting going on as soon as dof is mentioned, which is really frustrating.

ANY management set up can be wildly successful if the people within it are compatible, just as ANY management set up can fail if they are not.

IMO the dof set up is a good one, in that the coach gets to focus on the team performing almost exclusively, while someone with connections can scout players with the same level of involvement.

I read that in Lister's voice and it didn't work.

 

[Lister]

Smeg!

 

[henryp0p]

A bit worrying to be honest. I'm a believer in sticking with the tried & tested. No need for DoF.

 

[Tucker]

I would rather the DOF be over seeing a general ethos at the club so getting all the youth and reserve teams playing the same system as the first team, and that kind of thing. And have someone else sorting out all the financial elements of transfers.

 

[sammyspurs]

A bit worrying to be honest. I'm a believer in sticking with the tried & tested. No need for DoF.

But AVB is tried and tested with a DoF system, and had great success at Porto. That counts far more than the fact Redknapp worked well without one, or that Ramos failed here.

 

[Tucker]

A bit worrying to be honest. I'm a believer in sticking with the tried & tested. No need for DoF.

But AVB is tried and tested with a DoF system, and had great success at Porto. That counts far more than the fact Redknapp worked well without one, or that Ramos failed here.

I think AVB is actually pushing for a DOF isn't he.

 

[sammyspurs]

I think AVB is actually pushing for a DOF isn't he.

I cant imagine Levy hiring one without AVB wanting it, so who knows..

 

[sammyspurs]

Unless......

AVB FURIOUS AS LEVY HIRES DOF AS HE DOESNT TRUST NEW MANAGER

 

[henryp0p]

A bit worrying to be honest. I'm a believer in sticking with the tried & tested. No need for DoF.

But AVB is tried and tested with a DoF system, and had great success at Porto. That counts far more than the fact Redknapp worked well without one, or that Ramos failed here.

Yeah but what works in a European League may not necessarily work here. Porto have had the DoF setup for years now, so its unsurprising that it worked well when AVB was there. And actually, he only stayed a year, and you can only really see the results of DoF in the long-term so you can't say that it "worked well" with any proper conviction in my opinion.

I'm not totally against DoF at Spurs, it could work, and I trust DL and VB's judgement- just a bit apprehensive of moving away from the tried and tested as I said.

 

[henryp0p]

Also, it's worth mentioning that this DoF initiative won't just have been a sudden change of heart by DL/VB. It would have been agreed in the initial talks, Broomfield's days were probably numbered the day Andre put pen to paper.

 

[sammyspurs]

A bit worrying to be honest. I'm a believer in sticking with the tried & tested. No need for DoF.

But AVB is tried and tested with a DoF system, and had great success at Porto. That counts far more than the fact Redknapp worked well without one, or that Ramos failed here.

Yeah but what works in a European League may not necessarily work here. Porto have had the DoF setup for years now, so its unsurprising that it worked well when AVB was there. And actually, he only stayed a year, and you can only really see the results of DoF in the long-term so you can't say that it "worked well" with any proper conviction in my opinion.

I'm not totally against DoF at Spurs, it could work, and I trust DL and VB's judgement- just a bit apprehensive of moving away from the tried and tested as I said.

Yeah I know where you are coming from. As i said, I was dead against it after scrapping it and going straight up to a top 4 side.

Just get the impression that AVB and Levy have a good relationship, after the lengths of talks they had when he signed. I think they both share the same vision for the club, and are on the same wavelength with how things should be done.

If AVB wants Baldini, and Levy gets him in, I only see that as a good thing at this stage.

 

[myname]

i will actually prefer him to be our director... am pretty sure he will at least make every match a blockbuster

 

[Lister]

Yeah but what works in a European League may not necessarily work here.

Why not? Honestly I can think of no good reason.

I can understand people feeling burned by the dof set up previously, but it doesnt mean it doesnt or cannot work.

AVB knows his way around it, Levy is clearly a fan - Baldini looks to be experienced...

Aside from that, is this a 'proper' dof situation we are talking about?

When Arnesen came in he was in charge of the whole football side of the club, everything - who managed, who we brought, how the medics were set up, how the academy was set up...

Looks like here Baldini is looked at more as a super scout.

 

[1882]

I think AVB is actually pushing for a DOF isn't he.

I cant imagine Levy hiring one without AVB wanting it, so who knows..

The irony is, Baldini would probably pave the way for Capello coming in, as and when Levy/Tottenham/The Premiership has had enough of AVB!

 

[Smoked Salmon]

Definately agree with those saying that if it is done right then there's no reason to try the DOF system again. I've often seen the "European doesn't always work here" argument, but nobody who ever makes that argument seems to be able to substantiate it with an explanation of why it doesn't work. Like the others, I say that if you have a good management team who can work well together then there is not reason it shouldn't work. I think the reluctance in English football is simply a hangover from the fact that most Britsh managers are old school and want to have complete control over everything.

 

[Éperons]

nobody who ever makes that argument seems to be able to substantiate it with an explanation of why it doesn't work without sounding like a BNP rank-and-filer.

fixed.

 

[Blanchflower]

Levy is already essentially DOF, but without any actual specialist knowledge of football.

Someone signed Vertonghen this summer and had been tracking him for over a year, it wasn't Redknapp, it wasn't AVB....