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[Airfixx]

Yeah, on this, definitely. He sounds like a dick. He was saying the ref didn't give it so why should VAR look at the handball. Ignoring the fact the ball hits his hand on the other side of the player to where the ref is standing. It's not rocket science to realise the ref didn't give it because he didn't see it clearly and knows if it is handball, VAR refs will flag it and let him have a look.

Missed the point there Blakey.... I don't agree with Ange but he wasn't taking umbrage with her like the handful here were.

 

[Gmspurs]

You mean because she explained why the calls were correct and not the way you wanted them?

I can find it all annoying regardless of the speak and spell manner in which the rules are explained.

Ange, Wright, Keane and the presenter all found it perplexing - they must all be thinking exactly the same - they must all have secretly wanted Denmark to win. Is that what you mean?

One day you'll get your wish and we won't have refs at all, just an AI computer giving instant decisions.

I believe football is never black and white and I don't think the technology is good enough yet to be giving these kind of decisions.

If you know anything about frame rates and a general mathematics of speed Vs 25 frames per second, you realise that these calls that give someone onside or offside by a toenail are all just shams and actually bollocks guesswork based on the technology available to them.

There's a reason why the 100 metres olympic final has 1000 frames per second cameras to decide a dead heat.

So sorry - the decisions aren't as right as you think.


And I think it's your own emotions that are closing your judgement - I couldn't give a fuck who won out of Germany v Denmark. Just don't like the way a really good match was killed off by a (to me at least) bollocks decision.


But as I said earlier - you think the Sissoko decision in the Champions League Final was a clear cut deserved penalty whereas I don't.

The rules say it was - I just don't like the rules.

Don't worry, England are going out way before we'd meet any of these two teams anyway.

 

[LeParisien]

Hairline decisions are bullshit. Toenails and fingernails should not be deciding football games.
The rules need to be changed.

I kind of agree with that. Go one frame either side too and if it’s offside for all three then it’s offside.

 

[sudoku]

This Clive Tyd thing is intriguing me. 40 years on the firm and he gets the tin tack and no goodbye or nuffink?

 

[Gmspurs]

I kind of agree with that. Go one frame either side too and if it’s offside for all three then it’s offside.

Especially at a relatively low 25 frames per second which the European Broadcasting Union use for their frame rate.

 

[Airfixx]

Really enjoyed the ITV punditry tonight, Ange Keane and Wrighty are really good and compared to the really poor BBC pundits

Yeh the BBC crew are a proper shit-show......

Linekar
Shearer
Rio
Rooney
Richards

 

[Jimmy D]

I don't think lines need to be drawn.
cld obvious mistakes need to be corrected.
That is all.

What is 'clear and obvious'? How do you decide it?

 

[Pathfinder]

If Delaney had used 2 number smaller shoes he would not have been off-side



View: https://x.com/GingerPirlo_/status/1807151945368629295

 

[Phomesy]

The bird ref has just explained the handball perfectly.

The block is subjective because it may be a foul but is rarely given. Why? Because it's allowed to be subjective. Are you telling me that's the first block there's been at this tournament? How many have you seen given.

You are completely missing my point or being disingenuous. I'm not arguing against it being a foul. I'm arguing that the Germans had more to complain about than the Danes. Offside is automated. Crystal clear.

And you are missing my point - that what Kimmich did is a foul and should always be called as such. If the ref misses it VAR shouldn't.

Even the Germans didn't kick up a fuss about it. Why are you?

 

[sudoku]

What is 'clear and obvious'? How do you decide it?

It's obvious, innit?
The ref and linesman make the decisions and unless they make a bleeding obvious mistake which is bleeding obvious then their decisions stand.
Obviously.
If you have to draw lines or replay more than once then it ain't obvious.

 

[Gmspurs]

Too blatant that some are still just choking on the fact:

1. She's a yank
2. She's a woman

That's you saying that - that's your own bias

Everyone who replied outrage said

"she this"

"she that"

I didn't even mention her 'gender' when I said I found it annoying.

But if it makes you sleep better, I'd have found it just as annoying if

a) She was a 'bloke'

and

b) she was from fucking Mars


So sorry old chap, you're wrong on both counts trying to make it out as some anti American anti woman thing.

see post #8282 as to why I find it annoying - but if you can't be arsed to read it then the TLDR is that the technology isn't good enough to be able to make the 'offside by a toenail' decisions.

That's not emotion, that's just maths.

 

[Jimmy D]

The ref and linesman make the decisions and unless they make a bleeding obvious mistake which is bleeding obvious then their decisions stand.

How, and who, would decide it's an obvious mistake?

 

[Starks]

Really enjoyed the ITV punditry tonight, Ange Keane and Wrighty are really good and compared to the really poor BBC pundits

ITV have been great throughout.

Andros is showing to be one of the best co-comms about too.

 

[bus-conductor]

Missed the point there Blakey.... I don't agree with Ange but he wasn't taking umbrage with her like the handful here were.

I still thought he sounded like a dick when he was moaning about VAR.

 

[sudoku]

How, and who, would decide it's an obvious mistake?

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2. easy to see, recognize, or understand:
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[Jimmy D]

I still thought he sounded like a dick when he was moaning about VAR.

He might be a 'dick', but he's our dick.

 

[deadleyledley]

I thought Wednesday night was Ange’s last night on ITV

Turns out he’s on again tonight from 7pm

Bonza

Levy took his bonus for himself, so itv have to pay him instead

 

[Jimmy D]

1. easily perceived or understood; clear, self-evident, or apparent.
2. easy to see, recognize, or understand:
3. 
   
4. accessible,clear,conspicuous,discernible,distinct,evident,glaring,indisputable,noticeable,overt,palpable,pronounced,recognizable,self-evident,straightforward,undeniable,unmistakable,visible
   barefaced,bright,clear as a bell,conclusive,distinguishable,explicit,exposed,in evidence,lucid,manifest,observable,open,patent,perceivable,perceptible,plain,precise,prominent,public,self-explanatory,standing out,transparent,unconcealed,undisguised,unsubtle
   
   

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You haven't answered my question. Who decides?

 

[bus-conductor]

He might be a 'dick', but he's our dick.

 

[Col_McCafferty]

Didn't watch the game so what's the controversy about?

Oh VAR fucking up our sport, again. What a surprise.

Scrap it, it's fucking shite.