Management Fabio Paratici

[Igula]

Journalist claims Daniel Levy has already overruled Paratici on one footballing decision at Spurs

Duncan Castles has claimed that Tottenham’s decision to not hire Paulo Fonseca was Daniel Levy’s call, despite Fabio Paratici wanting him.

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Castles shared details of why the move for Fonseca fella apart.

“The brief from Fonseca’s camp is that it fell apart over coaching staff and Tottenham’s refusal to build his coaching team. There’s also a story that was released in Italy that the reason that agreement fell apart was because Fonseca would be earning less in England, due to the benefits of Italian tax laws, than he would have been at Roma, and Spurs were not prepared to pay the additional,” Castles said.

"I’m told that is false and that the net salary was essentially the same in Rome as it was going to be in London, and it was actually Levy’s decision to overrule the choice of the new Managing Director of Football, Fabio Paratici, who he said would be heading up the football side of the club going forward"

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That seems to make zero sense, but then you see it is Castles and realize he is doing his buddy Jose a favor by writing a hit piece trying to make Levy look bad.

 

[cphspurs]

His appointment is terrible though so not sure why people should be happy when he keeps making bad decisions.

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First of all you/we dont have a clue what went wrong.
If your sources are media reports then there is another report from Duncan Castles saying it was Levy who reneged the deal on Fonseca.

He has been one, if not the key leaders of Juve evolution in 2010 onwards...He has not yet set foot in England after taking the job. Its absolute nonsense to pass judgement based on half baked news stories...

Any sane Spurs fan should give him atleast 2 years on his role. We have to assess him at end of the season. Not now.

 

[cphspurs]

That seems to make zero sense, but then you see it is Castles and realize he is doing his buddy Jose a favor by writing a hit piece trying to make Levy look bad.

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Levy intervening on an appointment makes zero sense to you ?
Come on, you live under a rock ?
For me, its the most plausible explanation thats been given on Fonseca deal going south

 

[ElTel]

That seems to make zero sense, but then you see it is Castles and realize he is doing his buddy Jose a favor by writing a hit piece trying to make Levy look bad.

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So why do you think we backed out of appointing Fonseca?

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

Choosing a manager isn't a football decision

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The DoF choose him, it was his man.

Fans rebelled that they didn't want a bigot as a manager, the club listened and responded and pulled the plug.

The decision to pull it wasn't a football decision it was a moral and professional one, nothing to do with football. Morally not a good look to have your manager holding those beliefs, especially as there is also a concerted effort to protest against this! Also, connected is the business knock-on effect, like with sponsors willing to be associated whilst having such a person as your head coach.

He wasn't ditched because of how he plays football. If it was, care to inform me where and what it was and where that's been reported.

 

[Igula]

First of all you/we dont have a clue what went wrong.
If your sources are media reports then there is another report from Duncan Castles saying it was Levy who reneged the deal on Fonseca.

He has been one, if not the key leaders of Juve evolution in 2010 onwards...He has not yet set foot in England after taking the job. Its absolute nonsense to pass judgement based on half baked news stories...

Any sane Spurs fan should give him atleast 2 years on his role. We have to assess him at end of the season. Not now.

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Duncan Castles is not a reliable journalist and he has a clear agenda against Levy because of his ties to Jose. His report makes zero sense as well.

Paratici was a part of the Juve success with Marotta above him, when they split Juve dropped and had two terrible manager hires, Marotta went to Inter made a great hire and won the Serie A. I think there is plenty of reasons to look at that and wonder how key Paratici was to the success over the previous ten years versus Marotta.

If you look at all the positives of Paratici, and I have no problem admitting there were good things, they were in large part moves that were for massive money- Ronaldo and De Ligt or brining in older players on free transfers and big wages that other thought we finished. That works great for a team like Juve that is a big draw, especially for Italians, and can pay massive wages. For us that approach doesn't work because we don't have the same appeal or willingness to pay big wages.

He also seems to have a good relationship with some of the super agents, which again doesn't help us because Levy is not going to pay the extras it costs to deal with them.

So we have a DOF with a lot of questions in his past performance overall and a history of operating in a way that does not fit with our club. Then we have two situations with his fingerprints all over them that are disasters and yet we are still supposed to ignore it and just give him time for reasons?

 

[Igula]

So why do you think we backed out of appointing Fonseca?

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I think that Gattuso was a guy that Paratici liked more and Fonseca was not a top level choice so moving on from him was easy.

The idea that after seeing the backroom staff issue that we just had with Conte that Paratici made a deal with Fonseca without dealing with that and then was backstabbed by Levy by that very same issue is very unbelievable and paints Paratici as an imbecile for not thinking that the exact same thing would be an issue with a much lesser manager.

 

[Doc]

So why do you think we backed out of appointing Fonseca?

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I get the sense Levy is a bit obsessed about the name-brand of his new coach, more so than the ability to actually coach.

 

[Igula]

Levy intervening on an appointment makes zero sense to you ?
Come on, you live under a rock ?
For me, its the most plausible explanation thats been given on Fonseca deal going south

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Paratici not having the backroom staff aspect in place makes no sense to me.

It is an easy aspect for a "journalist" like Castles to focus in on to attack Levy because people believe it.

Like I said above is your view that after seeing that backroom staff was an issue with Conte, Paratici ignored it with Fonseca and then Levy came in and micromanaged that one detail to kill the whole deal?

Its such a odd detail that Levy would be cool to give up control on so much but then focus on one thing like that and odd that Paratici wouldn't see it coming.

 

[ElTel]

I think that Gattuso was a guy that Paratici liked more and Fonseca was not a top level choice so moving on from him was easy.

The idea that after seeing the backroom staff issue that we just had with Conte that Paratici made a deal with Fonseca without dealing with that and then was backstabbed by Levy by that very same issue is very unbelievable and paints Paratici as an imbecile for not thinking that the exact same thing would be an issue with a much lesser manager.

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Right so you think it was Paratici who dumped Fonseca and went after Gattuso. What about Conte then, Paratici brought him to Levy's table so who pulled the plug on that deal?

 

[Igula]

Right so you think it was Paratici who dumped Fonseca and went after Gattuso. What about Conte then, Paratici brought him to Levy's table so who pulled the plug on that deal?

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I do think that and see no reason to think otherwise.

I am not sure that Paratici brought Conte to the table, has that been verified?

I think Levy pulled the plug on the Conte deal that seems pretty clear.

 

[ElTel]

Paratici not having the backroom staff aspect in place makes no sense to me.

It is an easy aspect for a "journalist" like Castles to focus in on to attack Levy because people believe it.

Like I said above is your view that after seeing that backroom staff was an issue with Conte, Paratici ignored it with Fonseca and then Levy came in and micromanaged that one detail to kill the whole deal?

Its such a odd detail that Levy would be cool to give up control on so much but then focus on one thing like that and odd that Paratici wouldn't see it coming.

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If the backroom staff was an issue with Conte and Fonseca don't you see a pattern developing, isn't it going to be an issue with whoever we try to appoint because the majority of decent managers have their own staff that follow them wherever they go.

 

[cphspurs]

Duncan Castles is not a reliable journalist and he has a clear agenda against Levy because of his ties to Jose. His report makes zero sense as well.

Paratici was a part of the Juve success with Marotta above him, when they split Juve dropped and had two terrible manager hires, Marotta went to Inter made a great hire and won the Serie A. I think there is plenty of reasons to look at that and wonder how key Paratici was to the success over the previous ten years versus Marotta.

If you look at all the positives of Paratici, and I have no problem admitting there were good things, they were in large part moves that were for massive money- Ronaldo and De Ligt or brining in older players on free transfers and big wages that other thought we finished. That works great for a team like Juve that is a big draw, especially for Italians, and can pay massive wages. For us that approach doesn't work because we don't have the same appeal or willingness to pay big wages.

He also seems to have a good relationship with some of the super agents, which again doesn't help us because Levy is not going to pay the extras it costs to deal with them.

So we have a DOF with a lot of questions in his past performance overall and a history of operating in a way that does not fit with our club. Then we have two situations with his fingerprints all over them that are disasters and yet we are still supposed to ignore it and just give him time for reasons?

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Duncan Castles - not reliable...but other ones from Italy , reliable ? Laughable.
You cant pick & chose what suits your agenda...

I dont have to listen to your representation of his reign at Juve. Juve chairman gave one of the glowing tribute to him crediting many achievements club had to him. Pretty sure, he knows what he is talking about given he had been working for 10 years with him. You talking about Ronaldo deal...someone who was demanded by Agnelli...CR7 ended up consuming 60% of their budget and had to rely on compromises like Emre Can, Rabiot, Ramsey etc...He was also the one who got in a 19yr old Pogba & young Dybala.

You want facts ? Fact is, he fully hasnt completed his role at Juve. Its ending this month. He has not set foot at England.

To start passing judgement on him, from half baked news stories is just not correct.

Levy has his handprint all in on the managerial search...Why ? coz every manager we linked or negotiated is a free transfer or managers whom we want to resign and come to us. If that is the restriction on Paratici, his options at the moment is very very limited.

Lets see how he does overall, instead of just jumping on every halfass story.

 

[Bazali]

If the backroom staff was an issue with Conte and Fonseca don't you see a pattern developing, isn't it going to be an issue with whoever we try to appoint because the majority of decent managers have their own staff that follow them wherever they go.

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Sounds like the most logical reason imv

 

[Igula]

If the backroom staff was an issue with Conte and Fonseca don't you see a pattern developing, isn't it going to be an issue with whoever we try to appoint because the majority of decent managers have their own staff that follow them wherever they go.

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Yes I never said anything different.

My point is that Levy wasn't undermining Paratici here, if backroom staff was an issue there is no way Paratici didn't know that going into the negotiations with Fonseca.

 

[Igula]

Duncan Castles - not reliable...but other ones from Italy , reliable ? Laughable.
You cant pick & chose what suits your agenda...

I dont have to listen to your representation of his reign at Juve. Juve chairman gave one of the glowing tribute to him crediting many achievements club had to him. Pretty sure, he knows what he is talking about given he had been working for 10 years with him. You talking about Ronaldo deal...someone who was demanded by Agnelli...CR7 ended up consuming 60% of their budget and had to rely on compromises like Emre Can, Rabiot, Ramsey etc...He was also the one who got in a 19yr old Pogba & young Dybala.

You want facts ? Fact is, he fully hasnt completed his role at Juve. Its ending this month. He has not set foot at England.

To start passing judgement on him, from half baked news stories is just not correct.

Levy has his handprint all in on the managerial search...Why ? coz every manager we linked or negotiated is a free transfer or managers whom we want to resign and come to us. If that is the restriction on Paratici, his options at the moment is very very limited.

Lets see how he does overall, instead of just jumping on every halfass story.

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Yes actually I do get to decide who I believe, especially when Castles has a reason to promote his nonsense and has shown that he is a mouth piece for Jose in the past. If a journalist has shown he has a bias then there is no reason to ignore that.

The Juve Chairman's comments on the guy leaving mean nothing. How often do you hear a chairmen shit talk a guy leaving on good terms. His comments don't negate the clearly poor hire in Sarri, they split with him after a year they are saying it wasn't a good hire. It doesn't negate the Pirlo hire, again they split with him after a year as well. That says a hell of a lot more than a PR release by the chairman talking about how great Paratici was. Marotta leaving and winning the league while Juve has their worse finish in 10 years speaks a hell of a lot more about how each guy is at running teams on their own. The chairman saying Paratici is super awesome doesn't change those results.

He got Pogba in because of his connection to Raiola, if you think that Levy is going to hand out the contracts and pay-offs to Raiola to get his clients in you are nuts and haven't paid attention to anything that Levy has done in his time as Chairman.

 

[Elias]

OK - I am a journalist, I know how the game works, and this is one instance where a textual analysis of what Castles is saying shines light.

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Castles shared details of why the move for Fonseca fella apart.
“The brief from Fonseca’s camp is that it fell apart over coaching staff and Tottenham’s refusal to build his coaching team. There’s also a story that was released in Italy that the reason that agreement fell apart was because Fonseca would be earning less in England, due to the benefits of Italian tax laws, than he would have been at Roma, and Spurs were not prepared to pay the additional,” Castles said.
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Elias: So Castles begins by giving Fonseca's account of why the deal broke down. He then challenges this:

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I’m told that is false and that the net salary was essentially the same in Rome as it was going to be in London, and it was actually Levy’s decision to overrule the choice of the new Managing Director of Football, Fabio Paratici, who he said would be heading up the football side of the club going forward.”
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Elias: so Castles claims that someone other than Fonseca has told him that this is untrue & Levy overruled Paratici.

Now I know many on here have such a low opinion of us hacks that they assume Castles just made this up. It's true that there are examples of journalists making stuff up, but they're relatively rare.

I believe it's more likely that Castles does have a source. If we accept that, the key questions are who is that source and are they in a position to know what really happened?

Since Castles is challenging Fonseca's account, I suspect he is not the source and that there are two prime candidates.

One would be Fonseca's agent, Abreu, who seems to have links to GestiFute, which is Jorge Mendes' company. Mendes would certainly have a strong motive to take a pop at Levy, because the bald one has just fired one of his clients (Mourinho) and flirted with another (Gattuso).

The other prime candidate would be Paratici. This is less likely in my opinion.

However, if it is true that Levy overruled Paratici on Fonseca, and then appears to have overruled him on Gattuso as well, then Paratici's DoF role is already fatally undermined. I cannot see him taking up the role on July 1st.

Caveat: just because Castles has been told this, it doesn't mean it's true.

 

[ElTel]

Yes I never said anything different.

My point is that Levy wasn't undermining Paratici here, if backroom staff was an issue there is no way Paratici didn't know that going into the negotiations with Fonseca.

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So Levy is effectively interfering in Paratici's role because as I said how many managers Paratici talks to are going to want to bring their own staff with them

 

[cphspurs]

Yes actually I do get to decide who I believe, especially when Castles has a reason to promote his nonsense and has shown that he is a mouth piece for Jose in the past. If a journalist has shown he has a bias then there is no reason to ignore that.

The Juve Chairman's comments on the guy leaving mean nothing. How often do you hear a chairmen shit talk a guy leaving on good terms. His comments don't negate the clearly poor hire in Sarri, they split with him after a year they are saying it wasn't a good hire. It doesn't negate the Pirlo hire, again they split with him after a year as well. That says a hell of a lot more than a PR release by the chairman talking about how great Paratici was. Marotta leaving and winning the league while Juve has their worse finish in 10 years speaks a hell of a lot more about how each guy is at running teams on their own. The chairman saying Paratici is super awesome doesn't change those results.

He got Pogba in because of his connection to Raiola, if you think that Levy is going to hand out the contracts and pay-offs to Raiola to get his clients in you are nuts and haven't paid attention to anything that Levy has done in his time as Chairman.

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Paratici ofcourse worked with Moratta...but its common knowledge, he was the one who did the leg work of scouting or meeting scouts, agents , players , made the deals. When Moratta was there, only final part of deal came to him-everything else Paraciti did.

Again, why should I listen to your version of things...when fact is everyone who understands & see SerieA , gives the credit to Paratici for successful period he had with Juve...

 

[CarrieFi]

I'm sad to say that I agree.
Wasn't he supposed to start to working the first of July, according to the press release when he was hired? Maybe if we paid him for working in June he wouldn't have to sell all this shit to the media.

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Yeah 1st July. Although, I can’t imagine he’d be too short of money though?