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Offer him a bumper 3 year deal with a release clause prior to the start of the 3rd year. Make it so any buyer has to pay it in full at te start of that summers window or else it goes back to negotiating with Daniel.

That way we can keep hold of him for another couple of years and he can go for relative small money the year after next.

He'll still be good enough to walk into most teams and get can take a mercenary medal from someone he's scored a load of goals against.
 
According to most, the players can't be held accountable for failing to get over the line.

The reason we lost the WC Semi final and Euro final was because of the incompetence of the FA.

Yep, not the manager (or their tactics) or the lack of mental edge from some of the so called best paid players in the world.

I am actually surprised some Spurs fans haven't blamed ENIC and Levy for England's 57 year failure.

Probably say England haven't spent enough on the facilities.
 
Yep, not the manager (or their tactics) or the lack of mental edge from some of the so called best paid players in the world.

I am actually surprised some Spurs fans haven't blamed ENIC and Levy for England's 57 year failure.

Probably say England haven't spent enough on the facilities.

Who appointed the England manager? Who offered him a new contract recently?

I really don't think this is the gotcha either you or Top_Spur Top_Spur think it is .. like seriously lads.
 
Harry mate sign Levy's contract with the words "fuck off tight little baldy ." Then go to Utd and I sincerely hope you win every trophy you can.
As for Rooney, Kane has another 4-5 years playing at the top level, he's going to obliterate Rooney's goal figures for England, despite playing for a club where top players around him are at a premium, the only possible exception being that Poch side. Since then he's got us top 4 virtually single handed, if we get it this season it'll be down to him as Son hasn't contributed much.
Best of luck mate.
 
Rooney more impactful without a shadow of a doubt.

Put him in our side for every big game Kane has played for us, and by that I mean semi-finals and finals, and we win a third.

Rooney had greater arrogance and raw desire.

I am not saying Rooney was a better player but he made more of a difference.

Hugely underrated.

Came in to say this really.

Rooney, has for whatever reason, become hugely underrated over the last five or so years. Maybe because of how his career ended, leaving United and then ending up in the MLS, who knows.

But what an incredible footballer. Every bit a good a passer as Harry Kane in my opinion but no where near as good at scoring goals. As the evidence shows.

In terms of goalscorer. Kane shits all over Rooney. That's pretty much a fact. But overall footballer? Raw ability? Legacy? It's a lot closer.
 
Who appointed the England manager? Who offered him a new contract recently?

I really don't think this is the gotcha either you or Top_Spur Top_Spur think it is .. like seriously lads.
Ohhh come off it :roflmao:

Sometimes you just lose in Sport and it's not the boards fault every time.

Are you really saying the FA are to blame for the lack England trophies won because they offered Southgate a new contract?
 
Ohhh come off it :roflmao:

Sometimes you just lose in Sport and it's not the boards fault every time.

Are you really saying the FA are to blame for the lack England trophies won because they offered Southgate a new contract?

Southgate has been the target of plenty of fair criticism during his time as England manager. Including bad subsitutions, stubbornly sticking to players he likes/knows and ignoring the in-form players (see: Rashford, Tomori, Ramsdale) and playing overly cautiously.

So yes, the FA continually rewarding him with new contracts could absolutely be partially blamed, if you're inclined to not be a Southgate fan.
 
Southgate has been the target of plenty of fair criticism during his time as England manager. Including bad subsitutions, stubbornly sticking to players he likes/knows and ignoring the in-form players (see: Rashford, Tomori, Ramsdale) and playing overly cautiously.

So yes, the FA continually rewarding him with new contracts could absolutely be partially blamed, if you're inclined to not be a Southgate fan.
Whilst I do agree with you about Southgate, as I'm not his biggest fan either the players definitely had the chance to win against Italy in the Euros. They were good enough to get there and had more than a good enough chance to win that match especially going 1-0 up.
 
Whilst I do agree with you about Southgate, as I'm not his biggest fan either the players definitely had the chance to win against Italy in the Euros. They were good enough to get there and had more than a good enough chance to win that match especially going 1-0 up

I'm actually mostly in the Southgate's done a good job camp, but that game for me was a good example of a manager dropping the ball. We didn't react to Italy's pressure, Mancini was much more pro-active with substitutes & the players Southgate brought on for pens all missed.

Could the players have done more? Yeah, but I never felt like Southgate reacted to the way we dropped back and invited pressure. He didn't change anything at all, in fact he seemed to embrace that way of playing.
 
Good article on Harry
Success means different things to different people. So poor Harry? Just get him out of there? Do me a favour. If Kane retired tomorrow, if he retired without ever winning a trophy for Spurs, he would still be regarded as one of the greats of the English game and a hero for Spurs fans for eternity. That’s not everything, and it is obvious that Kane is desperate to win trophies, but it is still not a bad bargain.

There is this, too: despite the fact he has not won trophies at Spurs, playing for the club has given him a platform to play in a Champions League final, to become England captain, to win the Golden Boot at the 2018 World Cup, to play in the final of Euro 2020 at Wembley, to break the England goalscoring record and to be the leader of a team that is heading towards next year’s Euros in Germany with the best chance of winning a trophy for this country since 1966.

OLIVER HOLT: Kane does not need pity of lack of trophies at Tottenham article re Harry
 
Who appointed the England manager? Who offered him a new contract recently?

I really don't think this is the gotcha either you or Top_Spur Top_Spur think it is .. like seriously lads.


Oh it really is.

Kane ain't the difference maker and whilst Levy/ENIC could at times have done more, Kane with us and England ain't delivered (in the key moments in the biggest games), with our best and that of England's.

So...?
 
Oh it really is.

Kane ain't the difference maker and whilst Levy/ENIC could at times have done more, Kane with us and England ain't delivered (in the key moments in the biggest games), with our best and that of England's.

So...?

Neither Spurs or England won stuff before Kane. We had Modric & Bale at the club and won nothing. England had Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard, Scholes, Terry, a whole host of players who won shitloads at club level ... and won nothing.

Kane has been exceptional for club & country. Record goalscorer for both. When he retires, both England & Spurs, and the silly minority of fans who don't deserve him, are gonna seriously miss him. ENIC don't deserve this player, he fell in to their lap and has carried them for years.
 
Neither Spurs or England won stuff before Kane. We had Modric & Bale at the club and won nothing. England had Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard, Scholes, Terry, a whole host of players who won shitloads at club level ... and won nothing.

Kane has been exceptional for club & country. Record goalscorer for both. When he retires, both England & Spurs, and the silly minority of fans who don't deserve him, are gonna seriously miss him. ENIC don't deserve this player, he fell in to their lap and has carried them for years.

Not one person in their right mind and who is a Spurs fan would not miss Kane.

Really not the point but you don't understand tbat and like a few ln here, you csnt see past your agenda, or blind spot, which seems ae long as Cyrano De Bergerac's nose.
 
Neither Spurs or England won stuff before Kane. We had Modric & Bale at the club and won nothing. England had Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard, Scholes, Terry, a whole host of players who won shitloads at club level ... and won nothing.

Kane has been exceptional for club & country. Record goalscorer for both. When he retires, both England & Spurs, and the silly minority of fans who don't deserve him, are gonna seriously miss him. ENIC don't deserve this player, he fell in to their lap and has carried them for years.
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Good article from The Times.

HENRY WINTER | FOOTBALL
Forget stopgap Stellini, selfless Kane is the real leader at Spurs now

The No 10 is no Churchillian orator but it will take his goals, guile and inspirational deeds to carry the club back into the Champions League
Tuesday March 28 2023


Much in football, as in life, is about leadership, about inspiration. Who stirs you most to give your all? To steer them out of their latest shambles, Tottenham Hotspur need a leader. But who?

Joe Lewis is on a boat while the club he owns is all at sea. The chairman, Daniel Levy, is not naturally a leader; a good businessman, undoubtedly, super-intelligent, but an introvert scared of the limelight and nobody’s idea of a galvanising guide for suffering supporters and staff in troubled times. Which is what Spurs urgently need. The board has the power, but not the authority.

Many good, conscientious people work tirelessly behind the scenes at Spurs, individuals respected within footballing circles, particularly Premier League gatherings, who love the club deeply and who deserve better leadership. So who can stand up to be counted at Spurs, a great club with loyal staff and a huge, passionate, frustrated fanbase?

On and off the field, football at its most stressful becomes a narrative about those who wilt and those who take responsibility. So who? Antonio Conte, an increasingly toxic, divisive figure as head coach, departed on Sunday in a trail of cordite and recriminations. He’s gone forth when all Spurs wanted was fourth. The Italian is more a fighter than a leader, as adept at picking arguments as he is at picking line-ups, not a diplomat but unquestionably a winner.

Conte’s important critique of Tottenham’s culture as daring dreamily rather than doing determinedly was lost amid the smoke of his explosive farewell press conference at St Mary’s Stadium. If Levy is as shrewd as his CV suggests, he will heed Conte’s counsel, however corrosive.

At some point it must be recognised that Spurs’ underachievement is not the fault of Conte, or José Mourinho, one of his predecessors, amassers of 34 trophies between them. The pair have won four English titles in the past 18 years — Spurs have not won one in 62 years. The problem just may not be Conte or Mourinho. Just a thought.

So now where are Spurs? Who is leading them after these serial winners? The acting head coach, Cristian Stellini, and his assistant, Ryan Mason, are No 2s, popular with the players but short-term appointments, inexpensive, unproven — and what about Stellini’s loyalty to Conte? Fabio Paratici, the sporting director, has distracting issues from his time at Juventus to address. So who?

Step forward Harry Kane, a leader in deed if not by word. Spurs’ hopes for fighting back, for nailing down that final Champions League spot that may give them a chance in the summer of luring an A-list head coach, such as Julian Nagelsmann, revolve around their No 10.

Stellini and Mason are good people, able football men, but hardly elite tacticians. Spurs are fourth and vulnerable. If Newcastle United and Brighton & Hove Albion win their games in hand, they’re above Spurs. If Liverpool maximise their spare match, they’re within a point of Spurs, and boast a vastly superior manager in Jürgen Klopp. Ambushes await. Spurs must be ready.

Their internationals, including Kane, report back on Tuesday, resuming club duties and preparing for Monday’s tricky trip to a glowering Goodison Park. Spurs’ hope for sustained involvement with fourth stems from the dressing room, not the boardroom or coaches’ room. Kane is key.

As leaders go, Kane is no Winston Churchill. He’s no king of the rallying cry, certainly not the type to go full Gladiator and play “commander of the armies of the North 17”, but Kane leads by example, by his selfless work out of possession, chasing lost balls, lost causes. He’s an inspiration by expansive deed, not any perceived limited vocabulary. Not every leader is a shouter. He has never let down the fans.

Levy needs to remember the fans, the people who pay his wages, who keep Spurs going. They keep turning up despite the lack of leadership from on high. Twice in the past month I’ve made the schlep up from Seven Sisters Tube station to the magnificent stadium, and back post-match, and as well as an exercise that stretches the legs it also expands the mind.

Conversations were insightful with Spurs supporters en route, despite losing some who were distracted by hostelries, including the High Cross, Elbow Room, Beehive, Bluecoats, No 8 and Corner Pin on the way up Tottenham High Road — and those were just the ones on the right, let alone the kebab shops.

The #LevyOut campaigners surfaced at times, a group adept at man-marking. What their presence and persistence confirmed was how much they cared for Spurs, how desperate they were for proper leadership, a point powerfully echoed by the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters’ Trust.

It is a stain and a shame on the rule of Levy that the most thoughtful observations on the departure of Conte should come not from him, somebody who appointed him, knew him, then sacked him, but from the trust. Here was confirmation of Levy’s lack of leadership qualities. It was the trust, the fans, the true voice of the club, who expressed gratitude to Conte for some of his work, and plenty of empathy for his personal travails after the loss of several friends and distance from family.

The trust also noted its awareness that “many supporters had grown tired of the football associated with the manager”. Conteball was negative, against the attacking ethos of the club of Jimmy Greaves, Ossie Ardiles, Glenn Hoddle, Chris Waddle, Paul Gascoigne and now Kane. The trust called Conte out. And now he was out, and few mourned.

While executives hid, the trust opened up a debate. “The club’s board must now have a clear strategy for what and who comes next,” it urged, “and it needs to tell this club’s supporters what that plan is.” That’s not simple courtesy, that’s sensible business practice. Just communicate. Not a strength of Levy’s.

So if the leadership is lacking from on high, then others have to take charge, and that has to be Kane. England and Spurs’ record scorer stands on the edge of history again. Kane has reported for duty on 427 occasions for Spurs, and constantly delivered, but the remaining ten games of this season could prove the most important for his legacy.

At 29, Kane may well leave in the summer, finally acknowledging the inhibiting culture at Spurs and pursuing silverware elsewhere, but, if so, if he is to move on from the club that made him, and whose supporters so love him, then let it be on an upbeat note.

Of course, if Kane drove Spurs with his goals, guile and inspiring example back into the Champions League, then he may be more likely to stay. Whatever, Spurs fans would respect his final contribution if he did then head off.

Kane is a friend of Mason, a former team-mate who is only two years his senior, but this is not about sitting in the coaches’ room discussing tactics. That would not be Kane’s style, and he is too instinctively respectful of management. This is more about Kane setting the tone, whether on the field by leading the press and the line, or off the field by inspiring staff in training-ground chats or in talks with the media.

With respect to Stellini and Mason, they are not considered stellar guardians of the flickering flame of Spurs’ ambition. Tottenham need a real leader, a focal point. What Kane may lack in eloquence, he exudes in substance. He’s Tottenham’s real leader.
 
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