Tactically I actually thought Pochettino did well on the night. Our setup was pretty good, we conceded because of a silly decision, and (I believe?) a set piece which landed with Origi, and fair play he finished it superbly.
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Tactically I actually thought Pochettino did well on the night. Our setup was pretty good, we conceded because of a silly decision, and (I believe?) a set piece which landed with Origi, and fair play he finished it superbly.
That's not remotely the same thing as to whether he get's picked to play or not.
You're just being selectively ignorant to the difference between the docs declaring his injury to be healed and him having his sharpness back enough to justify the gaffa selecting him.
I was checking out scousers forum that week and they were all mongering Kane would start.
Wait…..not getting picked because you are trying to join another club and not turning up for work shows how little power he has?
So little power he couldnt say “I’m not fit enough to start” a match.
He went to the papers declaring his fitness (theme emerging here)……maybe Poch was going to bench him, so he told the world how good he felt
This isn't the same situation at all. A player can decide not to play and there's nothing you can do. He was fined by the club for acting like a prick and that's that.
That doesn't mean they can decide to start whenever they want. Tevez went on a golfing holiday mid-season once, I don't think that meant when he returned he could just tell Mancini to stick him in the XI.
Hahaha
A player can decide not to play and there’s nothing you can do…..
Hahahahah
Just not in CL finals
I don't think we ever got to see how effective our Plan A was in that game... The factor being that Liverpool were blessed with a lead to defend from minute 1...... We were completely spared their aggressive Klopp-ball.
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Disagree whole-friggin-heartedly. None of them were a match for old man Llorente even then. And to this day Liverpool still can't handle the long ball. In fact didn't they just lose a couple weeks ago to it? And this analysis doesn't take into consideration the second ball AND the fact that it denies Liverpool's press which is their number 1 creative tactic.
Last year Aston Villa absolutely abused liverpool with the tactic by not always aiming it directly in the center but right in the gaps behind robertson and TAA. They are absolutely vulnerable to this tactic and would have been in the final as well. In fact we hammered them with it at Wembley (though that was Lovren...but didn't he start the CL final?).
And I say this as someone that was calling for this exact setup for the final because Klopp's tactics have always been vulnerable to it and he is a plan A manager. He would have never expected it, been exposed, and cried after the game that our best player was the GK like he did a few weeks ago. He's a c*nt!!!!!
I can decide to not show up for work; but I can't decide to promote myself... Capiché?
Kane could absolutely have ruled himself out of the CL final, if he fancied. Nobody is saying he was forced to play the match. That's not what I've disagreed with at any point in the discussion.
My point of contention is that he knew he was unfit and then tricked Pochettino. If you feel that was the case, fine.
Thanks for the video. I never seen it.
And Spurs even cleaned the plate for Kane afterward letting go Llorentte and all. The club served him like he was God.
You say that like it makes it wrong if it is the correct solution to the problem. Chelsea were going over Brentford's press yesterday and they are European champions.
Sounds like you are having a bit of a problem with the objectives behind certain tactical setups.
VVD has an aerial success rate of 75%, which is one of the highest in Premier League history. Llorente may have been capable of besting him here or there, but 'not a match' seems an exaggeration. He's a dominant player in these situations.
Villa partially exposed the space vacated by the fact Alisson is usually a tremendous sweeper keeper and instead they had Adrian for that game. And he's rubbish with the ball at his feet and iirc that was repeatedly exposed by pressing him.
Liverpool as a team that day were really bad. Their press was completely off and they got complacent, which quickly turned to being shellshocked. You're right that the space Robertson/TAA vacated could/can be exploited but..
That's more about isolating the fullbacks against pace and trickery. Grealish ruined Trent the entire game. Watkins was fantastic leading the line partly because he pressed like an animal and forced Liverpool to go long all game.
We could absolutely have tried a similar setup, surrendering possession to Liverpool and playing direct is the best way to get at their system. But if we adopted that setup, going a goal down early would still have thrown a big spanner in the works.
Anyhow, this thread is turning in to more of a CL final analysis thread! Bad memories..
In fairness im sure he done all the tests, fitness tests etc, to pass to get onto the pitch no?
How many PL strikers are 6'5" like Llorente? How many are as touch as Llorente? I watch Rondon manhandle Liverpools CBs consistently. So much so that there was sentiment on RAWK to pick him up so they didn't have to deal with him 2x a year. They are vulnerable to real old school #9 of which there are few in the PL but Llorente would have been just that type of task for them.
Yeah, my point.
That's assuming the same things would have happened which is not a reasonable thing to do.
The other point was Klopp would have been expecting 1 thing but forced to deal with another. He is not a master tactician and the element of surpise would have been ours. Surprised we didn't take it because even in full health Harry has nothing to concern VVD (or any other athletic CB).
You may well be right. Many managers are reluctant to change tactics in any major way for a big final, because it's a huge risk. Guardiola's got shit for it a bunch of times, most of the the time the safe option is to ask players to go out and perform in the way they're comfortable with. I thought our tactical setup didn't match too badly against Liverpool's on the night, but some individual errors cost us.
I thought we certainly brought Llorente on too late. I can see why we didn't start him or go direct from the beginning. It would've been a useful gear shift with 30 minutes to go, and offered a more physical, direct threat. But Llorente had a terrible record of goals to games, and you can see why he was reluctant to throw him for tactical reasons when the reliability wasn't there.
(Just an excuse to post this clip .. I'm aware there was an element of fortune and it was Van Djik at Southampton!)
We’ll never know but Poch took a gamble which didn’t pay off
Yes?