HG= Players who were registered with a club in English FA for 3 years between 15 and 21
So he would count, yes?
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Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window
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So he would count, yes?
I honestly think we should not be signing players contingent on Harry Kane its small time. Its actually hurt Kane. If we had acquired a Vlahovic or that Belgian lad from Bruges its not either or. They could have been the difference when Kane had injuries or had been overplayed. He'd have medals by now and knowing Conte he'll see this. Deketelcere* and Vlahovic should be our ambition whatever Kane does.
Owned by City = Not for sale to a possible rival (as with Sancho where Spurs asked if we could get him as part of the sale of Walker)
We have actually got a couple of 21 year old GK's who could be quite good - neither allowed out on loan during the Poch years, so Whiteman is now on his first ever loan, Austin out last year on loan. They have been alternating as 3rd GK and loan over last 2 years.
We have a GK who was called up by Nigeria in 20 year old Oluwayemi but he's a tad short to be a top GK. But at aged 18 Lo'Totula the current French u19 keeper looks as if he could develop very nicely
Spurs have a few other younger gk's who look pretty decent
The one thing they lack however is experience of playing mens football atm
I agree in the sense we should have elite players anyway but if Kane did go we would in theory have an elite striker to replace him, at the moment if Kane left we have Scarlett and we would be fucked no disrespect to the young talented kid.
If we are playing 2 up top over 60 games per season we cannot rely on Son and Kane never getting injured for all that time, they need proper competition and back up. So I want him whether Kane stays or goes.
How have Whiteman & Austin been doing? .....Any good?
We should be signing players Spurs need. And we are certainly short of a goal scoring and /or assist making attacking player (Kane, Son, Moura, Bergwijn, Gil is 5 attacking players for up to 4 first team positions - in a 4231 - and even counting Dele and Lo Celso its very tight)
My preference would be a player able to play as both striker and another forward position to get flexibility in rotation, but it come down to player availability.
And many players can play in different positions - so Lineker who is known as a striker in UK played as a wide player for Barcelona. So shouldn't be impossible to find players who can play in a couple of positions.
Yep just this Vlahovic for Centerforward and one other who both makes and scores goals. Dybala, Deketel ect
To be fair, Pep and Klopp, rather than looking for a striker, focus on stockpiling the greatest attacking midfielders and wingers on planet earth. That they’ve been able to replace Aguero’s goals (injuries notwithstanding) doesn’t fundamentally undermine the value of an exceptional ten.
I broadly agree with you. I actually think the reason Klopp et al have moved away from standard tens isn’t because the position is necessarily overrated, rather that it’s hard to find a genuinely good one that doesn’t cost the same as America’s trade deficit.
Also, I think strikers get more important, the shitter a team is. Having a bullying, pragmatic lump can win you a lot of vital points lower down the league. The value of a goal becomes a fuck of a lot more important when you have a goal difference of minus 26, versus City’s plus 70.
We were in for him when he was a kid but he chose another team over coming to us. I think Man City.
We have the french under 19 keeper in our ranks though. He must be pretty good. We need to give him a pathway to the first XI or he’ll be another youth player we will end up losing.
I think a 10 is a little bit like a classic sweeper now where it’s a bundle of abilities that everyone on the team is now expected to supply some part of.
Many team shapes will still put someone in the CAM spot on the pitch, but that player will be expected to be as versatile as others.
Creative passing is as valuable as it ever was, but there’s little room for the VDV/Riquelme type player who isn’t mobile and doesn’t press and defend.
The athletic demands of every player on the pitch keep getting higher and higher. Vanishingly few players can meet those requirements and still bring artistry and magic to the game, unfortunately.
Great point and then the question would be why do they see this as the real value proposition i.e. AMs and wingers over strikers? If you answer that I think it brings us right back to my point.
Even above average ones (rated on goals scored) cost a ton. But doesn't this mean there is an overvaluing going on? Sure, there have been truly transcendent strikers and 10s in world football. But they are so rare and then they are so expensive. So why go for one when it has been demonstrated that you can achieve great things without them? And beyond that you can get more consistent performance from someone that does all the other stuff better while funneling the scoring duties/responsibilities to more dynamic and skilled players.
Hadn't ever thought of it but I think I agree with you on this. As overall team quality goes down the striker's value goes up. Good point.
And the old school English #9/big lump is going the way of the dodo as well. They don't exist at big clubs anymore...except us.
I don’t disagree, but it seems the one big exception that you can get away with hiding in a team tactically (see: Cristiano Ronaldo) is a prolific goalscorer.
Now, that needs to be someone who can conjure goals, not an Andy Carroll who needs service from crosses, but Cristiano, Ibrahimovic, Lewandowski, these guys not being prodigious pressers is not a dealbreaker for them.
And you get the age old adage of 'not what a player is worth' but 'what a player is worth to the selling team'.
For example, what price do you put on Antonio? A jack of all trades. Busy. Physically demanding. A focal point in an exceedingly hard working team that squeezes every drop of talent from its ranks. I think he's a good (if limited) player. I would fully expect Spam to grossly overprice him, as he helps them achieve so much. Put him in our team, I don't think he'd score more than a handful. Would be a total waste of money.
And I would love us to be a team like City or Liverpool, with players that press, pull the opposition out of position, toy with them and then have two or three attacking midfielders lined up to slot home. I just think those players are almost as rare as the 'talisman striker'. So a team can most assuredly make do without an out and out ten, but they'd need the likes of De Bruyne, Mane, Salah, Foden and Mahrez to compensate. Knowing our transfer policy, I can't see us being any more successful.
Let's see what Conte opts for. I'm hoping he's not going to put up with Harry's rambles into midfield.
Also, to your point of most overrated positions, can I add DM. I know I'm an old fart, but I don't think it's a specialist position. Being able to tackle and help shield your defence should be a prerequisite of a good midfielder, not an exceptional talent.
I know, I know....it's just paper talk but I would really like to have de Ligt join Spurs. Throw Sanchez in or sell him (to a La Liga team )to finance the deal...
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Tottenham Hotspur: Matthijs De Ligt targeted by Antonio Conte in sensational swoop
Tottenham Hotspur want Matthijs De Ligt - who hasn't settled at Juventus - to be Antonio Conte's statement centre-back signing
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Hasn’t settled?I know, I know....it's just paper talk but I would really like to have de Ligt join Spurs. Throw Sanchez in or sell him to ( a La Liga team )to finance the deal...
Tottenham Hotspur: Matthijs De Ligt targeted by Antonio Conte in sensational swoop
Tottenham Hotspur want Matthijs De Ligt - who hasn't settled at Juventus - to be Antonio Conte's statement centre-back signing
I thought he was their main man.
Apologies if this has been posted already
Would be in the summer, but £20 million in January.Is he free?
West Ham are supposed to be in for him, so if we are genuinely interested it would have to be now.