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Management Johan Lange - Technical Director

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Timberwolf said:
Now that plan has failed they have to give De Zerbi every concession under the sun, a longer contract, bigger wages, more control to get him to agree. And no club worth their salt should be giving this much money and control to a volatile manager like Di Zerbi tbh.
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For me, under normal circumstance - this is the absolute wrong way to do things. Ridiculous, and principly Im against ceding so much power to any manager, let alone one known to be so volatile.

However, with our embarrassment of a board, our terrible record of managing the football side of things properly - I think having a manager with REAL power might just cover their failures.

And I think, specifically RE de Zerbi, this might be the thing that helps tame that side of him. He has never been at a club this size and stature. Never been at a club with this sort of budget. And never had such a say in how things are done. I mean, what an opportunity for ANY manager. Someone like de Zerbi can afford to take a longer term view, a bigger picture view - and I wonder if thats the sort of thing that could be the making of him (and us)

Though, of course, theres far more hope than expectation in this, ever the optimist :vinai:
 
postbox said:
For me, under normal circumstance - this is the absolute wrong way to do things. Ridiculous, and principly Im against ceding so much power to any manager, let alone one known to be so volatile.

However, with our embarrassment of a board, our terrible record of managing the football side of things properly - I think having a manager with REAL power might just cover their failures.

And I think, specifically RE de Zerbi, this might be the thing that helps tame that side of him. He has never been at a club this size and stature. Never been at a club with this sort of budget. And never had such a say in how things are done. I mean, what an opportunity for ANY manager. Someone like de Zerbi can afford to take a longer term view, a bigger picture view - and I wonder if thats the sort of thing that could be the making of him (and us)

Though, of course, theres far more hope than expectation in this, ever the optimist :vinai:
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Well its basically a contiunation of the Levy school of chaos ownership. You fuck up a bunch and then eventually you either get lucky (Poch, Kane, etc) or get relegated.

Maybe somehow this De Zerbi gamble pays off like you say and he fills the power vacuum and we unleash his potential.

Imo it's more likely it all blows up within 2 years and we're back to square one, though.
 
Timberwolf said:
My read on it is they asked him 7 weeks ago and he was literally days out of the Marseille job and said "nah not now, I'll consider it in the summer". The Marseille job was insane - so much stress and drama - so I think he woudve demanded a break regardless.

Lange/Vinai didnt want to make a stupid bid for him and thought they could probably survive on the cheap with Paratici's interim pick.

Now that plan has failed they have to give De Zerbi every concession under the sun, a longer contract, bigger wages, more control to get him to agree. And no club worth their salt should be giving this much money and control to a volatile manager like Di Zerbi tbh.

If we'd survived under Tudor the club would've had at least some leverage in negotiating with De Zerbi - now theyre being completely bent over (same way they wouldve been trying to get him 7 weeks ago).

I think Lange and Vinai are useless goons that we need to fuck off sharpish but its not that hard to see how things panned out the way they did on this one imo.
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I totally disagree with what you're saying.

You're talking about leverage, summer, concession under the sun etc etc but who cares about all that?

They wanted de zebri in the summer and he was the number 1 target. They approached him and he declined...only to accept it 7 games later. We are about to be relegated...you go all out for the manager you think can get us out of it immediately, it's as simple as that.
 
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kingdawson said:
I totally disagree with what you're saying.

You're talking about leverage, summer, concession under the sun etc etc but who cares about all that?

They wanted de zebri I'm the summer and he was the number 1 target. They approached him and he declined...only to accept it 7 games later. We are about to be relegated...you go all out for the manager you think can get us out of it immediately, it's as simple as that.
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Yeah fair - I'm just trying to explain how it happened.

They took a gamble on Tudor cos they didnt want to give De Zerbi insane control and overpay him (plus he wanted a break post-Marseille).

The gamble failed. Simple as.
 
kingdawson said:
I totally disagree with what you're saying.

You're talking about leverage, summer, concession under the sun etc etc but who cares about all that?

They wanted de zebri I'm the summer and he was the number 1 target. They approached him and he declined...only to accept it 7 games later. We are about to be relegated...you go all out for the manager you think can get us out of it immediately, it's as simple as that.
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Yeah they clearly didn't think we were in a bad state hence the casual transfer window and that ridiculous statement Lange did on camera, they are clearly pancaking now, just makes them look like even bigger idiots.
 
Shadydan said:
He's awful but in terms of continuity he has to remain a the club for the time being, until we get a successor who can take over his role, no point sacking him now if we don't have anyone coming in, believe it or not he is only one of the few football men left in the hierarchy which is crazy if you think about it so it's pointless leaving ourselves short in that case.
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This is so stupid. It's not like the players will be distraught because a DoF left. We also need to be planning for next season, and if we know we're sacking him, we can't start those plans. So what you're suggesting we do is wait til the end of the year, bring someone in new to not only assess the squad, but to look at what we need. 6 months after other clubs have started laying ground work. I'm sure we'll definitely get all our number 1 targets really early in that case.

Puts us in such an unbelievably bad situation to go into another summer on the back foot. He needs replaced months ago, and the longer it drags out, the bigger the disadvantage we're at. And before anyone says "we don't know what division we'll be in", the bottom clubs have to prepare for this eventuality every season. You make two lists.
 
Jenderbazzfass said:
Continuity with the reign of someone who is shit is a bad thing, not a good thing
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It's better than having no one to do the job, that's even if you have someone lined up in his role, you could be waiting months before you replace him.

Lange might be out of his depth, but at least he has a basic understanding of football which is more than can be said for a lot of the charlatans currently operating at this club. If you let him go without any kind of overlap or transition, you’re just creating another vacuum.

Learn from the Levy scenario, he got booted out and we aren't anywhere near to replacing every facet he controlled at this football club and are ledt with a load of non footballing idiots in charge of this club running departments they have 0 experience running which has led us to where we are now.

That’s exactly how you end up where we are now...disjointed, reactive, and constantly playing catch up instead of actually building something coherent.
 
Timberwolf said:
My read on it is they asked him 7 weeks ago and he was literally days out of the Marseille job and said "nah not now, I'll consider it in the summer". The Marseille job was insane - so much stress and drama - so I think he woudve demanded a break regardless.

Lange/Vinai didnt want to make a stupid bid for him and thought they could probably survive on the cheap with Paratici's interim pick.

Now that plan has failed they have to give De Zerbi every concession under the sun, a longer contract, bigger wages, more control to get him to agree. And no club worth their salt should be giving this much money and control to a volatile manager like Di Zerbi tbh.

If we'd survived under Tudor the club would've had at least some leverage in negotiating with De Zerbi - now theyre being completely bent over (same way they wouldve been trying to get him 7 weeks ago).

I think Lange and Vinai are useless goons that we need to fuck off sharpish but its not that hard to see how things panned out the way they did on this one imo.
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I don't know if they are being bent over. His reported 12m a season is still behind Lego Head (15m) and Pep (20m). At the end of the day it's what you have to pay. Maybe in the summer we might have got him for 10m but the extra 10m over five years if he truly is your #1 target is definitely worth paying. Other than that, what other concessions can they make. Can't spend what that don't have and I am sure De Zerbi understands PSR so no concession there. Doesn't look like he is flooding the coaching team with another load of his mates like Frank did so no concession there. Maybe he has more control and input than previous managers into which players come and go but quite frankly I am glad about that. I would rather my head coach make those decisions than the useless numpty Lange. I for one am fine with what the club has done. At both Brighton and Marseille he mutually agreed to leave his role so no compensation. The only way this backfires is if we are shit next season in the PL and once again we are thinking of sacking a manager. However, if we progress and things start improving then having him locked down might be an advantage. Either way, he was the best option available to us now and probably best option in the summer. If we can't make this work, then we truly deserve to be relegated and quite frankly we probably deserve worse than that.
 
Mariner said:

View: https://x.com/stavrinnn/status/2039011185496891446?s=46
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“ Really Thorough Process “

“ We defined ten characteristics we thought were important to be a successful manager at Tottenham Hotspur “

“ We analysed more than 30 candidates, in detail, led by our Technical Director Johan “

“ We had a short-list ; more than 3O candidates; we spent a lot of time on the short-list “

“ And Thomas was absolutely the number one candidate “

“ And seven months later we sacked him because we , sorry he was shit “

I’m sorry for swearing but if he gets 500 K a year for spouting this sort of shite whilst being demonstrably incapable of doing his job ; then he’s a very lucky boy indeed , a fu@ing lucky boy .

I’d actually never heard him speak before; I’m now wishing I never had .

I am SHOCKED by how completely smug and totally disconnected this man appears to be .
 
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John Duncan said:
“ Really Thorough Process “

“ We defined ten characteristics we thought were important to be a successful manager at Tottenham Hotspur “

“ We analysed more than 30 candidates, in detail, led by our Technical Director Johan “

“ We had a short-list ; more than 3O candidates; we spent a lot of time on the short-list “

“ And Thomas was absolutely the number one candidate “

“ And seven months later we sacked him because we , sorry he was shit “

I’m sorry for swearing but if he gets 500 K a year for spouting this sort of shite whilst being demonstrably incapable of doing his job ; then he’s a very lucky boy indeed , a fu@ing lucky boy .

I’d actually never heard him speak before; I’m now wishing I never had .

I am SHOCKED by how completely smug and totally disconnected this man appears to be .

Sorry for sounding so dramatic; but words similar fail me on this occasion.
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Ofc Frank was better than rdz last summer and now he is langes no1 choice for THIS summer. Did they go through the same process again and realise they put the x’s in the wrong column last year.
 
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