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Manager Jose Mourinho

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Matt1882 said:
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Don’t remember Jose winning the World cup either. :llorishowudoin:
 
John Thomas said:
I agree. I was a massive fan of Poch. Still am.
But I've grown to love Jose too 💘
The way he speaks. The way he acts...He genuinely seems to appreciate the fact he's managing a far classier and more illustrious club than the chavs will ever be.
Entrenched positions and viewpoints are something we'd all do well to avoid.
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I like that point. In many ways Jose seems to take on the personality of the club he is at.
 
J.F said:
The anti-Jose brigade are basing it on the ill-feelings they had towards him before he joined that they can't let go of. Just imagine it was another manager they didn't have any prior bias towards, who:
  • If you start the table from when he joined, would have got us 4th last year despite no pre-season.
  • Took the team from 14th to 6th despite the worst injury run I can remember, literally losing most of our attack and best players (and us not even having a backup striker).
  • Is regarded as one of football's most successful ever managers, winning trophies at every club, and being known for instilling the winning mentality and edge we clearly need.
  • Helped raise the profile of the club immediately which helps in many ways, not least of all the transfer window, which he was clearly involved with (I really don't believe we'd had done the same business with many others mangers in charge).
  • Saved what would have been an incredibly dull documentary, and has had a whole host of entertaining/classic moments even outside of that (he really is box office and endlessly watchable). I still laugh every time I watch this
  • Always speaks extremely respectfully of the club and fans, and has clearly fully embraced Spurs. It's also clear that he's regarded extremely highly by players, and many have spoken about wanting to work with him. It was never a question any of our stars leaving this summer and I think he's a factor in that.
  • Actually makes changes early on when things aren't going right, and actually says what he thinks in press conferences.
  • Currently only 1 loss in the last 15 which was to Everton who are the only team to have won every match this season (after phenomenal transfer business).
  • Literally just pulled off an incredible week, rotated the squad perfectly, and has got us scoring plenty of goals now that he actually has a fit squad.
  • Despite the nonsense that 'Kane will hate it under Mourinho', Kane's just had the best start to a season I can remember. He even seems to have got Ndombele firing.
  • Just got us our biggest win at Old Trafford, totally humiliating United in the process.
I could go on but my point is NOT that "you have to declare him a huge success right now!", obviously we don't yet know how it'll all work out... But even if he hadn't done all the above in less than 12 months, surely the default starting position should be supporting/backing the manager in his first full season? With some here it feels like guilty until proven innocent. I'm not saying people can't question him or have doubts on whether he's right for us long-term, but anyone who adamantly wants him gone right now (so we can go and start a new project with an unproven up and comer presumably?) is crazy to me.

Really there are only 2 arguments against him:

"The football is shite" / he's a dinosaur, not relevant etc - Clearly relevant as wins trophies everywhere and achieves more than most even in his "failures". As for the football, was mostly poor last season but still ground out results; given the injury crisis most people would praise that if it were a different manager, especially when you consider the away record before he took over. As for this season, too soon to judge the quality of football, but surely you have to admit the last couple of weeks are promising and be open to giving it a chance. Plenty of goals so far, some really nice play, and aside from individual mistakes generally an improved defence. We easily have one of the best attacks in the league that should largely take care of itself, so a coach renowned for improving defences might be more what we need anyway.

"Look what happens at the other clubs he's been at" - You mean win multiple trophies then fall out with the management over lack of signings? Is that really such a disaster? We haven't won a trophy in 12 years, if he wins one here (which I believe he will, and I think the players believe he will too), he can have a bust up with every employee at the club for all I care. Besides, don't fans want a manager who is going to push the management to invest in the team, isn't that what we've all been saying? The reality is I think both Levy and Mourinho know what they've got themselves in for, and I think we have less divas than Utd and that it could work out ... but even if it does fall apart, Levy runs the club smartly, and I really don't see how it's going to be the giant disaster some people are imagining. I think we should spend less time worrying about every possible thing that could go wrong and enjoy what's going right at the moment. It could be a very special season. (Essay complete, hope I passed).
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J.F said:
The anti-Jose brigade are basing it on the ill-feelings they had towards him before he joined that they can't let go of. Just imagine it was another manager they didn't have any prior bias towards, who:
  • If you start the table from when he joined, would have got us 4th last year despite no pre-season.
  • Took the team from 14th to 6th despite the worst injury run I can remember, literally losing most of our attack and best players (and us not even having a backup striker).
  • Is regarded as one of football's most successful ever managers, winning trophies at every club, and being known for instilling the winning mentality and edge we clearly need.
  • Helped raise the profile of the club immediately which helps in many ways, not least of all the transfer window, which he was clearly involved with (I really don't believe we'd had done the same business with many others mangers in charge).
  • Saved what would have been an incredibly dull documentary, and has had a whole host of entertaining/classic moments even outside of that (he really is box office and endlessly watchable). I still laugh every time I watch this
  • Always speaks extremely respectfully of the club and fans, and has clearly fully embraced Spurs. It's also clear that he's regarded extremely highly by players, and many have spoken about wanting to work with him. It was never a question any of our stars leaving this summer and I think he's a factor in that.
  • Actually makes changes early on when things aren't going right, and actually says what he thinks in press conferences.
  • Currently only 1 loss in the last 15 which was to Everton who are the only team to have won every match this season (after phenomenal transfer business).
  • Literally just pulled off an incredible week, rotated the squad perfectly, and has got us scoring plenty of goals now that he actually has a fit squad.
  • Despite the nonsense that 'Kane will hate it under Mourinho', Kane's just had the best start to a season I can remember. He even seems to have got Ndombele firing.
  • Just got us our biggest win at Old Trafford, totally humiliating United in the process.
I could go on but my point is NOT that "you have to declare him a huge success right now!", obviously we don't yet know how it'll all work out... But even if he hadn't done all the above in less than 12 months, surely the default starting position should be supporting/backing the manager in his first full season? With some here it feels like guilty until proven innocent. I'm not saying people can't question him or have doubts on whether he's right for us long-term, but anyone who adamantly wants him gone right now (so we can go and start a new project with an unproven up and comer presumably?) is crazy to me.

Really there are only 2 arguments against him:

"The football is shite" / he's a dinosaur, not relevant etc - Clearly relevant as wins trophies everywhere and achieves more than most even in his "failures". As for the football, was mostly poor last season but still ground out results; given the injury crisis most people would praise that if it were a different manager, especially when you consider the away record before he took over. As for this season, too soon to judge the quality of football, but surely you have to admit the last couple of weeks are promising and be open to giving it a chance. Plenty of goals so far, some really nice play, and aside from individual mistakes generally an improved defence. We easily have one of the best attacks in the league that should largely take care of itself, so a coach renowned for improving defences might be more what we need anyway.

"Look what happens at the other clubs he's been at" - You mean win multiple trophies then fall out with the management over lack of signings? Is that really such a disaster? We haven't won a trophy in 12 years, if he wins one here (which I believe he will, and I think the players believe he will too), he can have a bust up with every employee at the club for all I care. Besides, don't fans want a manager who is going to push the management to invest in the team, isn't that what we've all been saying? The reality is I think both Levy and Mourinho know what they've got themselves in for, and I think we have less divas than Utd and that it could work out ... but even if it does fall apart, Levy runs the club smartly, and I really don't see how it's going to be the giant disaster some people are imagining. I think we should spend less time worrying about every possible thing that could go wrong and enjoy what's going right at the moment. It could be a very special season. (Essay complete, hope I passed).
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Excellent, gold star :)
 
black echo said:
I know it is sad to hear this but I believe he will leave if and when he can grab the Champions League for Spurs. I can also see he will walk if he can get 1-2 Premier League with Spurs. I think the reason he looks fresh and good is because he knows Spurs has the right players and that he can control the players to play with his style. I think also because Levy gave him lots of authority in shaping the players (was N'D last season and Dele this season) hence he was so glad to hear Rose said he will come and see Levy...lol...fking childish and amateur move.

I think with Spurs he will show pundits that he is not a dinosaur and what beautiful football is. Portugal national team would be his next move after Spurs.
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You know what, if after winning 2 PL titles and the Champions league i will be OK with him going :mourthumb:
 
Thin Lilywhite Duke said:
>He's done the Premier League with a blank cheque
>He's done historically the 'biggest' job in England at United
>He's done Italy
>He's done Spain/biggest club in the world with Real Madrid

He'll be Portuguese manager one day but not quite yet. That's basically a retirement job.

If he can awaken the sleeping giant of Tottenham Hotspur, doing it the right way no less, then I don't doubt he would rank that amongst the highest of his achievement. I do think we'll get top 4 as a minimum this year and I think he'll seriously try to win the CL as underdogs.

The only thing he could have on his bucket list to leave us for would be Bayern Munich, but for the reasons others have listed in this thread - we are a damn good fit for him.
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If he wins the PL and the CL then surely he will have to go down as being the greatest manager of all time? I get that Fergie is considered one of the best, but if we had this team during Fergies reign he would have already bought Son and Kane a few seasons ago, not taking anything away from him but surely its easier to win everything when you can strengthen your own team while weakening your rivals at the same time?
 
The Mercurial No.10 said:
The somewhat ironically named TeamSpirit (Trademarked...cringe) still showing himself up.
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You can @ me you know. Your username is even more ironic, because Mourinho would have a Mercurial no.10 out on his arse!

I despise Chelsea football club, and everything it stands for - they are very much neck & neck with Woolwich for me and my personal hatred has only increased in the last 15 years. Mourinho is the biggest reason outside of that Russian Gangster for their current status in world football.

Ossie Wembley "Not our main rivals" LOL - their fans talk about Spurs more than any other club!

Jose is a massive egotist, and it's always been about him. He needs to be the star of his club, it's what fuelled his hatred for Barcelona and Pep Guardiola. He also believes in creating conflict between the players to make them push harder. there's only so long that can last.

Funnily enough, that's what gives him bigger chance of success here. The more players who have the credentials and egos to question him, and the bigger the institution (Madrid, Chelsea Mk2, Man Utd) the worse he behaves. At Spurs it's only really Gareth Bale who can stand up to him. Levy is clearly in awe of him, and the players that have been here the longest just want to win big. The state of Spurs is more akin to Porto, Chelsea mk1 and Inter. It's this factor I count on the most.

There's also a dirty little secret that the "I'd take shit football for a league cup!" merchants won't admit; things have improved for him since he stopped trying to win every game 1-0! He hasn't exactly turned NDombele into prime Michael Essien has he? We are Tottenham, we are at our best on the front foot. We can only do if we've dared. Glad he's getting the message.
 
J.F said:
The anti-Jose brigade are basing it on the ill-feelings they had towards him before he joined that they can't let go of. Just imagine it was another manager they didn't have any prior bias towards, who:
  • If you start the table from when he joined, would have got us 4th last year despite no pre-season.
  • Took the team from 14th to 6th despite the worst injury run I can remember, literally losing most of our attack and best players (and us not even having a backup striker).
  • Is regarded as one of football's most successful ever managers, winning trophies at every club, and being known for instilling the winning mentality and edge we clearly need.
  • Helped raise the profile of the club immediately which helps in many ways, not least of all the transfer window, which he was clearly involved with (I really don't believe we'd had done the same business with many others mangers in charge).
  • Saved what would have been an incredibly dull documentary, and has had a whole host of entertaining/classic moments even outside of that (he really is box office and endlessly watchable). I still laugh every time I watch this
  • Always speaks extremely respectfully of the club and fans, and has clearly fully embraced Spurs. It's also clear that he's regarded extremely highly by players, and many have spoken about wanting to work with him. It was never a question any of our stars leaving this summer and I think he's a factor in that.
  • Actually makes changes early on when things aren't going right, and actually says what he thinks in press conferences.
  • Currently only 1 loss in the last 15 which was to Everton who are the only team to have won every match this season (after phenomenal transfer business).
  • Literally just pulled off an incredible week, rotated the squad perfectly, and has got us scoring plenty of goals now that he actually has a fit squad.
  • Despite the nonsense that 'Kane will hate it under Mourinho', Kane's just had the best start to a season I can remember. He even seems to have got Ndombele firing.
  • Just got us our biggest win at Old Trafford, totally humiliating United in the process.
I could go on but my point is NOT that "you have to declare him a huge success right now!", obviously we don't yet know how it'll all work out... But even if he hadn't done all the above in less than 12 months, surely the default starting position should be supporting/backing the manager in his first full season? With some here it feels like guilty until proven innocent. I'm not saying people can't question him or have doubts on whether he's right for us long-term, but anyone who adamantly wants him gone right now (so we can go and start a new project with an unproven up and comer presumably?) is crazy to me.

Really there are only 2 arguments against him:

"The football is shite" / he's a dinosaur, not relevant etc - Clearly relevant as wins trophies everywhere and achieves more than most even in his "failures". As for the football, was mostly poor last season but still ground out results; given the injury crisis most people would praise that if it were a different manager, especially when you consider the away record before he took over. As for this season, too soon to judge the quality of football, but surely you have to admit the last couple of weeks are promising and be open to giving it a chance. Plenty of goals so far, some really nice play, and aside from individual mistakes generally an improved defence. We easily have one of the best attacks in the league that should largely take care of itself, so a coach renowned for improving defences might be more what we need anyway.

"Look what happens at the other clubs he's been at" - You mean win multiple trophies then fall out with the management over lack of signings? Is that really such a disaster? We haven't won a trophy in 12 years, if he wins one here (which I believe he will, and I think the players believe he will too), he can have a bust up with every employee at the club for all I care. Besides, don't fans want a manager who is going to push the management to invest in the team, isn't that what we've all been saying? The reality is I think both Levy and Mourinho know what they've got themselves in for, and I think we have less divas than Utd and that it could work out ... but even if it does fall apart, Levy runs the club smartly, and I really don't see how it's going to be the giant disaster some people are imagining. I think we should spend less time worrying about every possible thing that could go wrong and enjoy what's going right at the moment. It could be a very special season. (Essay complete, hope I passed).
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We could have had Warnock aand Allardyce, the footballing purists dream team!
 
J.F said:
The anti-Jose brigade are basing it on the ill-feelings they had towards him before he joined that they can't let go of. Just imagine it was another manager they didn't have any prior bias towards, who:
  • If you start the table from when he joined, would have got us 4th last year despite no pre-season.
  • Took the team from 14th to 6th despite the worst injury run I can remember, literally losing most of our attack and best players (and us not even having a backup striker).
  • Is regarded as one of football's most successful ever managers, winning trophies at every club, and being known for instilling the winning mentality and edge we clearly need.
  • Helped raise the profile of the club immediately which helps in many ways, not least of all the transfer window, which he was clearly involved with (I really don't believe we'd had done the same business with many others mangers in charge).
  • Saved what would have been an incredibly dull documentary, and has had a whole host of entertaining/classic moments even outside of that (he really is box office and endlessly watchable). I still laugh every time I watch this
  • Always speaks extremely respectfully of the club and fans, and has clearly fully embraced Spurs. It's also clear that he's regarded extremely highly by players, and many have spoken about wanting to work with him. It was never a question any of our stars leaving this summer and I think he's a factor in that.
  • Actually makes changes early on when things aren't going right, and actually says what he thinks in press conferences.
  • Currently only 1 loss in the last 15 which was to Everton who are the only team to have won every match this season (after phenomenal transfer business).
  • Literally just pulled off an incredible week, rotated the squad perfectly, and has got us scoring plenty of goals now that he actually has a fit squad.
  • Despite the nonsense that 'Kane will hate it under Mourinho', Kane's just had the best start to a season I can remember. He even seems to have got Ndombele firing.
  • Just got us our biggest win at Old Trafford, totally humiliating United in the process.
I could go on but my point is NOT that "you have to declare him a huge success right now!", obviously we don't yet know how it'll all work out... But even if he hadn't done all the above in less than 12 months, surely the default starting position should be supporting/backing the manager in his first full season? With some here it feels like guilty until proven innocent. I'm not saying people can't question him or have doubts on whether he's right for us long-term, but anyone who adamantly wants him gone right now (so we can go and start a new project with an unproven up and comer presumably?) is crazy to me.

Really there are only 2 arguments against him:

"The football is shite" / he's a dinosaur, not relevant etc - Clearly relevant as wins trophies everywhere and achieves more than most even in his "failures". As for the football, was mostly poor last season but still ground out results; given the injury crisis most people would praise that if it were a different manager, especially when you consider the away record before he took over. As for this season, too soon to judge the quality of football, but surely you have to admit the last couple of weeks are promising and be open to giving it a chance. Plenty of goals so far, some really nice play, and aside from individual mistakes generally an improved defence. We easily have one of the best attacks in the league that should largely take care of itself, so a coach renowned for improving defences might be more what we need anyway.

"Look what happens at the other clubs he's been at" - You mean win multiple trophies then fall out with the management over lack of signings? Is that really such a disaster? We haven't won a trophy in 12 years, if he wins one here (which I believe he will, and I think the players believe he will too), he can have a bust up with every employee at the club for all I care. Besides, don't fans want a manager who is going to push the management to invest in the team, isn't that what we've all been saying? The reality is I think both Levy and Mourinho know what they've got themselves in for, and I think we have less divas than Utd and that it could work out ... but even if it does fall apart, Levy runs the club smartly, and I really don't see how it's going to be the giant disaster some people are imagining. I think we should spend less time worrying about every possible thing that could go wrong and enjoy what's going right at the moment. It could be a very special season. (Essay complete, hope I passed).
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This is a very Robust defence, and I tip my hat to you.

Yes, I do have ill feelings based on my perception of him vs what is my personal idealism of Tottenham Hotspur is.

That has pushed me to setting the bar artificially high. for him. I want him to win a league and a European trophy. If he can do both, then Spurs will be the high point of his career, certainly in England. Then he's not perceived as a Chelsea hand-me-down, in the way that George Graham is an Gooner hand-me-down.
 
Hagrid said:
The world is full of tweets, whatsapps, online posts and text messages etc. The art of true conversation is dying but what is completely lost is the intonation in a message. I guarantee you three people could read the same text and have three different views of its implication. Unless you actually hear the words spoken and see the facial expressions of someone you can be totally misled by how they meant their message to be conveyed.
Sign of the times but whilst technology is giving the opportunity for millions of people all over the world to communicate with each other it is not necessarily allowing the true meaning of their words to be understood correctly.
Somehow an emoji doesn't quite hack it.
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Completely agree and the sad thing is that’s not the worst of it. The worst is how people are only served content that largely agrees with their world view, and distorts it to the gain of advertisers. How can you react to opinions that differ from your own if you’re set up to feel that the majority is with you, you’ve felt the approval of others and therefore you must be right. It’s no wonder there’s so much hostility when opposing views are played out, particularly with binary issues (Democrats/ Republicans, Brexit etc). The political landscape is toxic and very, very scary, thanks largely to the social media bubbles we now find ourselves in.
 
J.F said:
The anti-Jose brigade are basing it on the ill-feelings they had towards him before he joined that they can't let go of. Just imagine it was another manager they didn't have any prior bias towards, who:
  • If you start the table from when he joined, would have got us 4th last year despite no pre-season.
  • Took the team from 14th to 6th despite the worst injury run I can remember, literally losing most of our attack and best players (and us not even having a backup striker).
  • Is regarded as one of football's most successful ever managers, winning trophies at every club, and being known for instilling the winning mentality and edge we clearly need.
  • Helped raise the profile of the club immediately which helps in many ways, not least of all the transfer window, which he was clearly involved with (I really don't believe we'd had done the same business with many others mangers in charge).
  • Saved what would have been an incredibly dull documentary, and has had a whole host of entertaining/classic moments even outside of that (he really is box office and endlessly watchable). I still laugh every time I watch this
  • Always speaks extremely respectfully of the club and fans, and has clearly fully embraced Spurs. It's also clear that he's regarded extremely highly by players, and many have spoken about wanting to work with him. It was never a question any of our stars leaving this summer and I think he's a factor in that.
  • Actually makes changes early on when things aren't going right, and actually says what he thinks in press conferences.
  • Currently only 1 loss in the last 15 which was to Everton who are the only team to have won every match this season (after phenomenal transfer business).
  • Literally just pulled off an incredible week, rotated the squad perfectly, and has got us scoring plenty of goals now that he actually has a fit squad.
  • Despite the nonsense that 'Kane will hate it under Mourinho', Kane's just had the best start to a season I can remember. He even seems to have got Ndombele firing.
  • Just got us our biggest win at Old Trafford, totally humiliating United in the process.
I could go on but my point is NOT that "you have to declare him a huge success right now!", obviously we don't yet know how it'll all work out... But even if he hadn't done all the above in less than 12 months, surely the default starting position should be supporting/backing the manager in his first full season? With some here it feels like guilty until proven innocent. I'm not saying people can't question him or have doubts on whether he's right for us long-term, but anyone who adamantly wants him gone right now (so we can go and start a new project with an unproven up and comer presumably?) is crazy to me.

Really there are only 2 arguments against him:

"The football is shite" / he's a dinosaur, not relevant etc - Clearly relevant as wins trophies everywhere and achieves more than most even in his "failures". As for the football, was mostly poor last season but still ground out results; given the injury crisis most people would praise that if it were a different manager, especially when you consider the away record before he took over. As for this season, too soon to judge the quality of football, but surely you have to admit the last couple of weeks are promising and be open to giving it a chance. Plenty of goals so far, some really nice play, and aside from individual mistakes generally an improved defence. We easily have one of the best attacks in the league that should largely take care of itself, so a coach renowned for improving defences might be more what we need anyway.

"Look what happens at the other clubs he's been at" - You mean win multiple trophies then fall out with the management over lack of signings? Is that really such a disaster? We haven't won a trophy in 12 years, if he wins one here (which I believe he will, and I think the players believe he will too), he can have a bust up with every employee at the club for all I care. Besides, don't fans want a manager who is going to push the management to invest in the team, isn't that what we've all been saying? The reality is I think both Levy and Mourinho know what they've got themselves in for, and I think we have less divas than Utd and that it could work out ... but even if it does fall apart, Levy runs the club smartly, and I really don't see how it's going to be the giant disaster some people are imagining. I think we should spend less time worrying about every possible thing that could go wrong and enjoy what's going right at the moment. It could be a very special season. (Essay complete, hope I passed).
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A+

An excellent essay, well argued and coherent.

You make your case forcibly in your first sentence - The anti-Jose brigade are basing it on the ill-feelings they had towards him before he joined that they can't let go of - and then underline and extend it in the following paragraphs.

Grammar and spelling outstanding. The style is clear and concise, although, given the platform on which you contribute, perhaps some swearing would have been appropriate.
 
Super Jan Fan said:
I like that point. In many ways Jose seems to take on the personality of the club he is at.
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I was against Poch being sacked, because I think with the right transfers in, and he would have turned things around.
But it's the age old thing - the king is dead, long live the king.

I even supported Villas Boas until things started to go bad........
ie, the second half of his first game in charge.
 
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