I'm confused... Who played him for those other 4 appearances then?
(I am however aware of the Poch/Mason relationship, but like I've explained to
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Ex-Spurs Player Kyle Walker-Peters
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I'm confused... Who played him for those other 4 appearances then?
(I am however aware of the Poch/Mason relationship, but like I've explained to
Guido 🇺🇦
- my interpretation of "promoting" to the seniors is entirely logical.....)
I'm confused... Who played him for those other 4 appearances then?
(I am however aware of the Poch/Mason relationship, but like I've explained to
Debuted as a last minute substitute in the Europa League under Redknapp in 2008. Next game didn't come until four years later in the 2012/13 season. He played three games under AVB that season. Went to Swindon on loan in 2013/14 and came back when Poch was appointed.
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The list was posted to show that he was a manager who played young players and those I think are the significant ones he put faith in and reflected in the number of apps/mins they played under him. These aren't stat padded substitution apps made in the Kangaroo Cup in the 85th min.
His record, therefore, shows that if he thought a player was "ready" he would play them regularly. Of course, there's a view that he could have or should have played others, including KWP but the fact is he didn't. It may or may not have been a mistake on his part, time would tell on that. But a manager with a significant track record of playing very young footballers deemed KWP not ready for selection. Hence he wasn't selected.
He's now showing signs that he might be ready. Let's see.
Missed a penalty on his debut didn’t he?
That was Kane on his debut vs Hearts iirc
Were you not talking about Kane? Skim reading.
Talking about Mason
Oops!
I remember Mason scoring a great goal against Forest very early in his career.
There are young players playing for most clubs in the PL and Europe, that hardly makes Pochettino unique. His record at Spurs is nothing exceptional. When he left we were the oldest average age team (or in the top 3 depending on who played) in the PL. That's not a coach showing a preference for young players, if he he did initially.
The notion that any player will develop better "match skills" by not playing matches, or playing very few of any kind, even reserve games, for 3 years is pretty spurious, bordering on nonsensical.
How is it paying dividends for us if Walker-Peters becomes a PL regular for someone else?
And yet they were also the youngest earlier on.
Who is making the claim that a player will develop better by not playing matches?
He's on loan, so he's now playing matches. Matches mean he will continue his development. This is all rather good ain't it!! Well done Spurs (and KWP) for developing to a point where his level is deemed suitable to gain some mins in the PL whilst out on loan.
And yet they were also the youngest earlier on.
Who is making the claim that a player will develop better by not playing matches?
He's on loan, so he's now playing matches. Matches mean he will continue his development. This is all rather good ain't it!! Well done Spurs (and KWP) for developing to a point where his level is deemed suitable to gain some mins in the PL whilst out on loan.
Well no, not well done Spurs for making him wait this long to get regular matches. His level was deemed suitable to get minutes 3 years ago, because he did. That was the time when "matches would have meant he continued his development", instead spurs/Pochettino made sure he didn't get them, for Spurs, Spurs U23's, or on loan.
Yes, Poch had a young side early on, but the majority of those players were not introduced or recruited by Pochettino. The longer his tenure went on, the more influence Pochettino had on recruitment and integration, our team got older and older until it was one of the oldest in the PL.
You categorically said he was a manager with a record of playing young players. His record for playing young players is absolutely nothing special at all.
As I've posted numerous times already, if he was deem suitable he would have got more mins.
I've listed the players that played significant mins under him, list the extensive list of other managers that have played as many with as many minutes to back up what you say. I assume that's quite a simple thing to do on account of his record being "absolutely nothing special".
I don't fucking care if they were introduced by him or not, I've not even presented that as an argument.
Everyone was saying that? That's not true.
Not necessarily what we would like, but on that display better than what we have.
City were all over soton like a rash, getting quality passes in was a nightmare for all of the team, not just KWP, he put in some solid blocks and tackles and had one poor clearance out of the box, that IIRC followed a good clean stop.
You’re right, he suggested a bit more bulk and strength work which would be noticeable in his play and physicality. You’re the one that suggested turning him into Adama Traore by adding 10-15 kg of muscle...