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The bolded part is key for me, the poster you were arguing with posed the question "what glory?" and the only answer you can give to that really is that it was relative glory.You can be pissed off with how it ended and still realise how good we had it with Poch (compared to pretty much everyone else whose managed us in modern times...).
I literally said in a previous post I was clearly disappointed with how it ended...
I stand by everything I said - end of discussion.
The bolded part is key for me, the poster you were arguing with posed the question "what glory?" and the only answer you can give to that really is that it was relative glory.
It was definitely my favourite period of supporting Spurs (since the mid-90's), it looked like we were going places and that winning things would certainly come at some point, but then it just fizzled out.
To me his stint here was a high point in my Spurs supporting life, but I wouldn't call it glory, I'd also be wary of getting him back and expecting the same level of enjoyment, as some of the key contributors to his success were down the chance and/or fortunate timing.
Then again, this is probably all irrelevant as I think it all stems from someone just using "former glory" as a turn of phrase rather than literally.
You rate the Poch years over the Burkinshaw ones?Since early 70s and seen glory in early 80s. But the Poch years allowed me to get in the face of gooners/spammers/chavs and I’ll take that as glory.
some of the football under a Poch took it to another level.
True, but it still leaves me with pause for thought at the prospect of Poch coming back one day.See. I think that's a bit disrespectful - it's also mainly opinion, not fact. Also I'd argue that ANY successfull manager in the PL would have to have an element of luck.
I don't think it's unfair to be 'relative' in regards to the use of 'glory'. I've supported spurs since I was about 6/7 so from 1990 - so seen us win 1 FA Cup and 2 League Cups...therefore as far as I'm concerned, reaching the final of the champions league does count as glory!
Now I'm sure there's some older chaps and chapesses on here who've supported spurs longer and had the fortune to see us win more...but I'm not in that group.
Meh, to each his own.
True, but it still leaves me with pause for thought at the prospect of Poch coming back one day.
How much could we expect him to replicate the first stint without a Harry Kane coming from the academy, a Mousa Dembele awakening from dormancy to elevate our midfield.
We saw for example that once Dembele was a spent force the wheels all but fell off, and Poch's solutions included Sissoko, and then Ndombele. Now how much those decisions were down to solely Poch is open to debate, I'd just be dubious that bringing him back would see a similar level of success as first time.
I'm not even saying he'd be a bad choice, just that there are question marks.
Agree on the first point, not necessarily the second. Players from Poch's first stint are already on their way out. Only the last stragglers remain.2 key components for any Poch return IMO:
- A quality DOF already full integrated and allowed to retain authority in that area.
- ALL the players from Poch's last stint gone..... Kane, Hugo, Sonny, the lot.... 100% clean slate.
Both of which are a few years away yet.
What's wrong with this argument is that you're both right and you are both wrong. The truth was in the middle. The Poch years were an objective joy. But he made a massive mistake in not throwing that team at a serious attempt to win an FA cup. It would not only have been a reward to us the fans but it would have cemented belife in his methods and project with everyone from Kyle Walker to Christian Eriksen. An FA cup in them first 15 months IMHO sees us win the title and possibly a ECL. That Pochettino did not see this is to his massive detriment.
Agree on the first point, not necessarily the second. Players from Poch's first stint are already on their way out. Only the last stragglers remain.
Sanchez already replaced by Romero. Will most likely be shipped out.Hugo,
Sanchez,
Dier,
Davies,
Winks,
Lucas,
Son,
Kane
Ndombele/Sess/GLC
CCV
+ Skipp (I'll make an exception for him as young enough to be considered part of the future)
Sanchez already replaced by Romero. Will most likely be shipped out.
Winks on the way out.
Lucas should be out in the summer too.
Ndom,GLC already sidelined, GLC will likely be sold in the summer too.
CCV pretty much guaranteed to be sold to Celtic.
Hugo, Kane, Son, Dele and Dier are the only ones likely have a meaningful role next season.
Hugo, Kane, Son, Dele and Dier are the only ones likely have a meaningful role next season.
Dele? What?Sanchez already replaced by Romero. Will most likely be shipped out.
Winks on the way out.
Lucas should be out in the summer too.
Ndom,GLC already sidelined, GLC will likely be sold in the summer too.
CCV pretty much guaranteed to be sold to Celtic.
Hugo, Kane, Son, Dele and Dier are the only ones likely have a meaningful role next season.
They did to the titlePSG didn't beat any of the top 6 this season.