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I've always said, Messi's accomplishments at club level are among the greatest ever, but until he wins a World Cup he can't be considered even the best Argentine player ever IMO, Maradona still holds that distinction.
Maradona dragged a somewhat average Argentina side to one World Cup trophy and another final, as well as a then unfashionable Napoli team to the Serie A title.
Messi on the other hand has been part of some of the most talent rich Barcelona & Argentina teams in decades, like I said his club accolades are incredible but let's be honest, with the players Argentina have had including himself over the past 15 or so years they should have won at least something by now.
A "mediocre" Argentina that also included Aguero, Higuain, Lavezzi, Mascherano & Demichelis in the team?To be fair he dragged a mediocre Argentina to a World Cup Final, and it’s arguable that the CL is the highest quality competition in world football.
A "mediocre" Argentina that also included Aguero, Higuain, Lavezzi, Mascherano & Demichelis in the team?
Their defenders were mostly mediocre and their manager couldn’t get the squad to work.
Liverpool showed him how to play in champions League when 3-0 down. He wasn't special that night !!
Liverpool showed him how to play in champions League when 3-0 down. He wasn't special that night !!
I think Messi is the GOAT, but I thought Mascherano was equally as good as Messi that tournament. His performance in the semi-final against the Netherlands was one for the ages.
Sadly not long after the 2014 World Cup, he declined drastically.
Every time this thread is bumped, I'm just going to say this
"Yes, he is"
I am old enough, and lucky enough, to have seen Pele, at Goodison Park in the WC in 1966.
He was the most gifted footballer I have ever seen.
Messi is brilliant though.
You forgot Greaves !Maradona and Brazilian Ronaldo the best ever of the post-Pele era. Brazilian Ronaldo was cut down by injury and was never the same but his season at Barcelona was truly exceptional.
Messi the best of the present era especially because he has maintained a consistently high level; whereas Ronaldinho was in some ways on the same level, he lost interest (but was more fun to watch).
Messi has also had a big effect on how the game is now played - very fast, technical, like a playstation game. I prefer the game in the 90s when even our own Gazza could have reigned supreme - it was technical but also physical and forced the creative players to become even greater in some respects because of the physicality of the game.
For earlier eras I'd say Pele is supreme but there were lots of greats playing in the England side like Johnny Hayes and Duncan Edwards. The closest England has come to producing not just a world class player, but the best in the world player at the time, was Gazza. I saw him at Newcastle and Spurs and at times I think he probably was; but like Diego and George Best, he had a habit of self destruction. God gives, Satan takes.