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nicoclaesen said:
You say Guirassy is less of a risk than Toney but in no way can that be remotely true. Toney has experience of playing in the league,knows the opposition,scores goals in the league and lives in London.

It’s the complete opposite.
Guys like Guirassy are much bigger risks than players that have proved themselves at this level and are settled here.

As I said before I’d prefer the likes of Gyokeres,Vlahovic or Sesko but those are not happening. We must get the centre forward signing correct or we are looking at another season relying on Richy or Sonny at centre forward if whoever comes in doesn’t hit the ground running.
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Yeah but we KNOW that Toney is in a massive funk since coming back from his ban and in this league has never had a stretch as prolific as Guirassy since moving to Stuttgart. If you look at Guirassy's career as well he's had a real journey so he's used to adjusting and adapting to new situations.

I did some digging and tbh every level I dig, I'm encouraged by what I find.


View: https://youtu.be/0jqMwUYYbjA?si=Ot3AIL91DEFzqg0D
Scouting video (clearly made by a Guirassy fan so context here)

Wasn't prolific before Stuttguart but was largely due to circumstances of getting injured and/or playing on really bad teams. As soon as he touched a team that created chances he was banging them in.

His numbers and video for finishing, build up, movement, and aerial duels are on par with Kane and Haaland and he's clearly that technical player that we lack to hold the ball and bring others in.

Defensive contribution is a big question mark! Can he still be as technical and time his movement when you add in the extra aerobic workload of pressing?

theanalyst.com

Serhou Guirassy is Eclipsing Bundesliga Greats and Harry Kane | The Analyst

It's taken Serhou Guirassy a while to find his feet in top-tier football, but now he's breaking records most weeks in a modern-day Cinderella story.
theanalyst.com theanalyst.com

This was an interesting read as well. Rennes have a pretty good record for talent ID and the guy there (Stephens) was quoted as saying this which matches the video:

“It’s everything he does for the team, the runs he makes into space, the defensive work that he puts in, the way he puts himself about,”

He's been prolific for a good while now it seems:

"At the conclusion of the 2021-22 season, Guirassy had scored at a rate of one league goal every 144 minutes since the start of the prior campaign; that was better than players such as Victor Osimhen (148 mins), Neymar (148 mins), Son Heung-min (153 mins) and Kane (157 mins), and only marginally worse than Lionel Messi (143 mins)."

The rest of the article is just striker porn. There isn't an objective way to say that he's not statistically one of the best finishers and overall #9's in Europe. If we don't end up signing him, it will be Milan or Juve type of team and there's a really chance we'll all be sitting here next next season watching Toney or Gimenez look average and wondering why we "don't have good scouts".


TLDR: Sign fucking Guirassy for 17.5m you bald bastard. Even if he wants 190k pw and a 15m sign on bonus. Just fucking do it.
 
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Airfixx said:
Not once in the 8 years I've been here has he had the balls to answer that question...........
Fear of not being able to move the goalsposts....... Fear that if he pretends to be reasonable; that bar might just be met......
....None more bad faith than he.
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he he 🤤. You've developed a habit of referring to me in the third person rather than addressing me directly. In fact, I've let several of your snidey comments slide over the past few days.

You're a very naughty boy

Anyway. I think it's important we add some context to your accusations and address them head on.

Every one of those last 8 years you and a bunch of extreme happy clappers / losers have spent each summer in this thread talking up every window and every signing (you even put a positive spin on the 2018 window when Levy completely shat the bed and made history, a disgraceful cop out that's still stinging us to this day) while at the same time attacking, insulting and abusing anyone with a less positive outlook than yourself.

While myself and others have called out our transfer activity for what it is and have been alarmed at what we see as a lack of ambition on the playing side for a club of our immense wealth, size and stature, with manager after manager let down , screwed over and sold short.

On the above points we can at least amicably agree. Polar opposites, yeah, but our positions Crystal clear.

Now. The all important evidence, blud.

In each of those 8 years you refer to we have gone on to record ANOTHER trophyless season, we've seen half a dozen managerial hirings and firings, and a general downturn in performance and no end in sight to the longest trophy drought since WWII

So. Who has been proven right. You?..🤡... or yours truly?...🤷‍♂️......case closed.

You see, unlike yourself, I don't think you can truly judge a transfer window until the results of the transfer window can be analysed.
No window can seriously be rated 10/10 unless and until that window contributes to meaningful success a year or two down the line

So asking what would constitute a 10/10 window now is a dumb question that doesn't deserve an answer. Especially when so many previous windows rated 10/10 by fools on here only achieved continued failure and managerial departures.

It's nothing to do with moving goalposts, its about looking at things with a dose of realism and using the evidence of stone cold facts to back your opinion up.

48 previous transfer windows with ENIC and just 1 carling cup some 31 transfer windows and 10 managers ago to show for it isn't a great case for your argument and your vitriolic abuse aimed at others who don't agree, chappie.

Try and at least chill out and accept that many fans will never be quite like you.

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Am i the only one here that thinks Solomon looked very promising the games he played?

Seems like the forum has forgotten about him.



Awkward The Simpsons GIF
 
Richard Arlison said:
Yeah but we KNOW that Toney is in a massive funk since coming back from his ban and in this league has never had a stretch as prolific as Guirassy since moving to Stuttgart. If you look at Guirassy's career as well he's had a real journey so he's used to adjusting and adapting to new situations.

I did some digging and tbh every level I dig, I'm encouraged by what I find.


View: https://youtu.be/0jqMwUYYbjA?si=Ot3AIL91DEFzqg0D
Scouting video (clearly made by a Guirassy fan so context here)

Wasn't prolific before Stuttguart but was largely due to circumstances of getting injured and/or playing on really bad teams. As soon as he touched a team that created chances he was banging them in.

His numbers and video for finishing, build up, movement, and aerial duels are on par with Kane and Haaland and he's clearly that technical player that we lack to hold the ball and bring others in.

Defensive contribution is a big ! Can he still be as technical and time his movement when you add in the extra aerobic workload of pressing?

theanalyst.com

Serhou Guirassy is Eclipsing Bundesliga Greats and Harry Kane | The Analyst

It's taken Serhou Guirassy a while to find his feet in top-tier football, but now he's breaking records most weeks in a modern-day Cinderella story.
theanalyst.com theanalyst.com

This was an interesting read as well. Rennes have a pretty good record for talent ID and the guy there (Stephens) was quoted as saying this which matches the video:

“It’s everything he does for the team, the runs he makes into space, the defensive work that he puts in, the way he puts himself about,”

He's been prolific for a good while now it seems:

"At the conclusion of the 2021-22 season, Guirassy had scored at a rate of one league goal every 144 minutes since the start of the prior campaign; that was better than players such as Victor Osimhen (148 mins), Neymar (148 mins), Son Heung-min (153 mins) and Kane (157 mins), and only marginally worse than Lionel Messi (143 mins)."

The rest of the article is just striker porn. There isn't an objective way to say that he's not statistically one of the best finishers and overall #9's in Europe. If we don't end up signing him, it will be Milan or Juve type of team and there's a really chance we'll all be sitting here next next season watching Toney or Gimenez look average and wondering why we "don't have good scouts".


TLDR: Sign fucking Guirassy for 17.5m you bald bastard. Even if he wants 190k pw and a 15m sign on bonus. Just fucking do it.
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Just adding this section of pure unbridled striker porn from the article linked in that post in case you cba to read it all:

One thing we have to consider is the fact he’s overperforming compared to his expected goals (xG) at an unrivalled rate; those 13 goals have come from 7.2 xG. The variety has been remarkable: there was a screamer against Darmstadt, a poacher’s finish after brilliant movement against Freiburg, and a delicate chip at Mainz, which was followed by a headed lob that he set up himself by cheekily flicking the ball over the head of a defender.

Of the 13, just one has been a penalty, and only the 25-yard piledriver in Darmstadt and his effort away to RB Leipzig – which went in off the goalkeeper – would you look at and suggest he potentially got “lucky”. The quality of Guirassy’s goals has been so high, but before anyone gets too attached to the idea of him just being fortunate, it’s worth highlighting that his 7.2 xG is the third highest in the top five leagues after Victor Boniface (8.1) and Erling Haaland (7.9).

So, even if he has been occasionally aided by questionable goalkeeping or defending, Guirassy’s doing a lot of the work himself because you can’t have such xG figures at this stage of a season if you aren’t getting into great positions.

We can get an even clearer view of his effectiveness in this respect by looking at the average xG value of his non-penalty shots, which is 0.21 – that’s the same as Haaland (30 shots), and the three players (minimum 15 shots) to have better records at this stage of the season have all had significantly fewer attempts (16 or 17) than Guirassy (30).

The quality and variation of Guirassy’s goals also speaks to his style of play as a very well-rounded player, the complete striker.

“I would say I’m similar to Karim Benzema, Robert Lewandowski, and Harry Kane,” he told Bundesliga.com recently. “I watch Kane a lot, and I like his style. He’s good at everything; he can bring his teammates into play, he can score goals. Lewandowski is almost the same. He’s great, he can score goals, he can dribble, he can pass. Benzema is the same, he can do everything. These are the type of players I like; I relate to them because of my style.”
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:

View: https://x.com/HotspurRelated/status/1793556538029990257?t=eaOefG5y6TT73l4EG9DhOw&s=19
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If this indeed is true then they have not learned from the Ndombele mistake... or, from the past, Taarabt and Dalmat...

www.teamtalk.com

Chelsea, Newcastle warned against signing 'talented' Ligue 1 star with 'massive attitude problems'

Chelsea and Newcastle have been warned against signing Lyon attacking midfielder Rayan Cherki, due to his 'massive attitude problems.'
www.teamtalk.com www.teamtalk.com
 
Starks said:
A ridiculously exciting player who's been let down by attitude and supposed laziness at times.

Would cost about 15m or so apparently but a gamble I'd much rather take than the same fee on Werner.
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Agree.
Ben Arfa and Ndombele are both very-very talented players but let down by their attitude. The same can be said about Taarabt and Dalmat (from the past).
Very few players in fact undergoes a total change of attitude no matter who the head-coach and/or how much help and encouragement they received to change their "suck attitude"...
 
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Richard Arlison said:
Yeah but we KNOW that Toney is in a massive funk since coming back from his ban and in this league has never had a stretch as prolific as Guirassy since moving to Stuttgart. If you look at Guirassy's career as well he's had a real journey so he's used to adjusting and adapting to new situations.

I did some digging and tbh every level I dig, I'm encouraged by what I find.


View: https://youtu.be/0jqMwUYYbjA?si=Ot3AIL91DEFzqg0D
Scouting video (clearly made by a Guirassy fan so context here)

Wasn't prolific before Stuttguart but was largely due to circumstances of getting injured and/or playing on really bad teams. As soon as he touched a team that created chances he was banging them in.

His numbers and video for finishing, build up, movement, and aerial duels are on par with Kane and Haaland and he's clearly that technical player that we lack to hold the ball and bring others in.

Defensive contribution is a big ! Can he still be as technical and time his movement when you add in the extra aerobic workload of pressing?

theanalyst.com

Serhou Guirassy is Eclipsing Bundesliga Greats and Harry Kane | The Analyst

It's taken Serhou Guirassy a while to find his feet in top-tier football, but now he's breaking records most weeks in a modern-day Cinderella story.
theanalyst.com theanalyst.com

This was an interesting read as well. Rennes have a pretty good record for talent ID and the guy there (Stephens) was quoted as saying this which matches the video:

“It’s everything he does for the team, the runs he makes into space, the defensive work that he puts in, the way he puts himself about,”

He's been prolific for a good while now it seems:

"At the conclusion of the 2021-22 season, Guirassy had scored at a rate of one league goal every 144 minutes since the start of the prior campaign; that was better than players such as Victor Osimhen (148 mins), Neymar (148 mins), Son Heung-min (153 mins) and Kane (157 mins), and only marginally worse than Lionel Messi (143 mins)."

The rest of the article is just striker porn. There isn't an objective way to say that he's not statistically one of the best finishers and overall #9's in Europe. If we don't end up signing him, it will be Milan or Juve type of team and there's a really chance we'll all be sitting here next next season watching Toney or Gimenez look average and wondering why we "don't have good scouts".


TLDR: Sign fucking Guirassy for 17.5m you bald bastard. Even if he wants 190k pw and a 15m sign on bonus. Just fucking do it.
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I don’t know much about him so I’ll take your word for it. He might turn out to be a great option.

As for him playing in teams that aren’t good and injuries,you could have the same argument for Toney.
Brentford are not a good side and he’s missed half of a season so his numbers this season must be looked at that way too.
 
nicoclaesen said:
I don’t know much about him so I’ll take your word for it. He might turn out to be a great option.

As for him playing in teams that aren’t good and injuries,you could have the same argument for Toney.
Brentford are not a good side and he’s missed half of a season so his numbers this season must be looked at that way too.
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nicoclaesen said:
Another thing is he’s 28 as is Toney. I don’t think the club will sign someone that age to be honest.
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You could make that case for Toney as well but not when he's come back and been awful.

The age thing is probably true.

I'll be honest on Guirassy, I have never seen a full game. The research on him is wild though mate. Levels more impressive than Toney. 17.5m Euros is a joke as well. I really wasn't expecting to find what I did.
 
Brian Fantana said:
He’d be much more of a risk than Toney, although granted, I haven’t seen much of him but with one decent season under his belt he could just be another Michael Ricketts.

I’m not banging the drum for Toney btw, just using him to illustrate a dearth of options. I just don’t want us to fudge it by only bringing another winger in and the spurs PR pushing it out as solving our attacking options.
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Guirassy has way more than one decent season under his belt. Going back to the 19-20 season he has averaged around 10 goals in the league which is a decent haul for most strikers. This was just his first truly prolific season.
 
Richard Arlison said:
You could make that case for Toney as well but not when he's come back and been awful.

The age thing is probably true.

I'll be honest on Guirassy, I have never seen a full game. The research on him is wild though mate. Levels more impressive than Toney. 17.5m Euros is a joke as well. I really wasn't expecting to find what I did.
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I know nothing about him and usually pretty suspicious of players that have breakout seasons in mid to late 20s as always feels like a flash in the pan. But at £17m if it doesnt work out then you could flip him in a year and probably get most of that back. Leaves a lot more dosh to invest elsewhere. Would he be much of a fall off on Toney or Solanke? Seems a similar sort of age and level.
 
ShutUpPatrik said:
Guirassy has way more than one decent season under his belt. Going back to the 19-20 season he has averaged around 10 goals in the league which is a decent haul for most strikers. This was just his first truly prolific season.
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Not even his first.

The last 2 seasons have been unbelievably prolific and even 21/22 at Rennes was up there with the most prolific in Europe for goals per minute played.

The guy is statistically lethal and has been for a while.

I need to try and find a full game to watch but for me he's top of the list for realistic targets.
 
Richard Arlison said:
It's actually more than 1 decent season for Guirassy.


23/24 - 28 goals from 28 games at a rate of a goal every 79mins !!! (holy fuck)

22/23 - 11 goals from 22 at a rate of a goal every 150mins

Overall the last 2 seasons he's scored at a rate of a goal every 99 mins.


That's a better 2 season stretch than Toney has had in his life , including the lower leagues. Given the financials and the risk attached with Toney's character, I'd still say that Guirassy is much LESS risk than Toney. Especially if you are keeping Richy because Toney will definitely expect to start over Richy even if he;s not scoring. Guirassy would be in a new league and possibly more patient (that's a guess).


Your last point is my biggest concern of the window. I can already see it so clearly... We bring one striker and then come up with excuses about no buyers for Solomon so we end up just bringing Werner back and acting like we haven't just left another manager short in a key area.
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Toney has had a good season in the championship too. Anyway. Let’s see what the boffins come up with. If they get it wrong after having so long, it won’t be a goood look.


View: https://x.com/thespursexpress/status/1793578604447801810?s=46
 
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