It's something that actually confronts racism and comes from grass roots (as opposed to pointless rituals imposed from on high). You can see why certain people hate it.
-
The Fighting Cock is a forum for fans of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Here you can discuss Spurs latest matches, our squad, tactics and any transfer news surrounding the club. Registration gives you access to all our forums (including 'Off Topic' discussion) and removes most of the adverts (you can remove them all via an account upgrade). You're here now, you might as well...
Supporters The Y Word
- Thread starter Sonofa
- Start date
Latest Spurs videos from Sky Sports
If the old bill are going to nick people for using the Y word, I would piss myself if the first person they do decide to arrest is actually Jewish.. what are they going to do.. tell them not to abuse themselves..?
its all a bit of a head scratcher..
its all a bit of a head scratcher..
That's because anti-racism isn't about being anti racism.
It's about social control outside the rule of law.
They can still kick you out . . Presumably you can be charged after the fact too, so long as there is evidence of the offense.
Sorry, I think I was wrong. You used to have to be warned hence why police used to target people, warn them, then arrest. Looks like that has been repealed.
Edit: yes, looked it up repealed quite a while a go - 1996 - haven't done criminal law in quite a while.
On the home from the Leeds game a few weeks back, me and my son, his mate and his dad passed a group of Leeds fans, one of whom sang ‘Spurs are on their way to Belsen!’. We were not singing anything to do with Yids. So they were ‘provoked’ purely by our scarves!
The notion that We are to blame for provoking those sensitive little fellows from Leeds, Chelsea and Spam into anti Semitic utterances is actually dangerous, like a woman being blamed for sexual assault because she wore a shirt skirt.
But let’s not get distracted - the club aren’t motivated by the moral or even practical questions - it’s all about sanitising the Spurs brand. If they win, we’ll be left with nothing.
The notion that We are to blame for provoking those sensitive little fellows from Leeds, Chelsea and Spam into anti Semitic utterances is actually dangerous, like a woman being blamed for sexual assault because she wore a shirt skirt.
But let’s not get distracted - the club aren’t motivated by the moral or even practical questions - it’s all about sanitising the Spurs brand. If they win, we’ll be left with nothing.
Deleted member 15314
Guest
It's unironically doublespeak from 1984. "War is peace", "freedom is slavery"... "solidary with the abused is abuse".
They'll say they fight for your rights, while trampling on them. They say they believe all people are equal, but they divide peope up by their immutable characteristics and give each group some special rights and restrictions. They say "I can't speak for x, because I'm not x" but then do it anyway... but they'll do it politely.
It's like those cases where a 16 year old girl sends pics of her tits to her 17 year old boyriend, and the courts go after him for child porn. The girl insists he's her boyfriend, everything is consentual, the boy shows the chain of flirty texts leading up to the pics being sent. The court goes NO CONTEXT JUSTIFIES THIS!!!
Last edited by a moderator:
To be honest 1972 feels like 100 years ago.
Feels like a halcyon era to me.
Kind of agree with this. Maybe it's a controversial opinion but I don't think freedom of speech is a universal value. Never has been, never will be. It doesn't/can't exist in any absolute form either - even the most Liberal western countries have laws against libel, defamation etc.
However- having lived in the East and the West - I do believe respect and civility are universal values and definitely trump this faux freedom of speech talk in their universality. People everywhere are taught it and gratuitously insulting or contemptuous people are despised as a rule.
With regards to this specific debate, if Jews generally regard that word as a pejorative (and historically it certainly was used as one), then as a Muslim, I'd feel ridiculous using it. I get the context of 'owning' a once derogatory term and turning into a badge of honour - but let's be honest, are there many Jews outside of the Spurs fan base that accept this position?
Read through the club statement - importantly, it does not say that fans will be banned for using the Y-word.
We recognise how these members of our fanbase feel and we also believe it is time to move on from associating this term with our Club.
The adoption of the Y-word by our supporters from the late 1970s was a positive response to the lack of action taken by others around this issue. An increasing number of our fans now wish to see positive change again with the reduction of its use, something we welcome and shall look to support.
We acknowledge that any reassessment of the use of this term needs to be a collaborative effort between the Club and its fans. We shall be working to further outline the historical context of the term, to explain the offence it can cause and to embrace the times in which we now live to show why it can be considered inappropriate, regardless of context.
Firstly, we knew the club would never officially endorse the chanting, it does not make sense, that would not look good for the club's image.
Secondly, they have not gone down the road of 'shame' or 'embarrassment' about it's use, they have actually done some PR and recognised it's honourable origins.
Thirdly, if you look through the focus group comments they have given quite a good range of views, you might argue that it leans toward their argument but they do give representation to both sides.
I think it's not crazy to assume this is the soft end of a phasing toward banning the chant but everyone knows doing that would just create a counter of it being used more.
To me, the interesting thing boils down to agency. The club wants fans who will keenly follow, chant nice things and exit through the gift shop, the fans want a club that wins things, buys good players and values them, neither can really control the other at the end of the day.
We recognise how these members of our fanbase feel and we also believe it is time to move on from associating this term with our Club.
The adoption of the Y-word by our supporters from the late 1970s was a positive response to the lack of action taken by others around this issue. An increasing number of our fans now wish to see positive change again with the reduction of its use, something we welcome and shall look to support.
We acknowledge that any reassessment of the use of this term needs to be a collaborative effort between the Club and its fans. We shall be working to further outline the historical context of the term, to explain the offence it can cause and to embrace the times in which we now live to show why it can be considered inappropriate, regardless of context.
Firstly, we knew the club would never officially endorse the chanting, it does not make sense, that would not look good for the club's image.
Secondly, they have not gone down the road of 'shame' or 'embarrassment' about it's use, they have actually done some PR and recognised it's honourable origins.
Thirdly, if you look through the focus group comments they have given quite a good range of views, you might argue that it leans toward their argument but they do give representation to both sides.
I think it's not crazy to assume this is the soft end of a phasing toward banning the chant but everyone knows doing that would just create a counter of it being used more.
To me, the interesting thing boils down to agency. The club wants fans who will keenly follow, chant nice things and exit through the gift shop, the fans want a club that wins things, buys good players and values them, neither can really control the other at the end of the day.
Exactly it my fellow Yid!!
This happened (not the fans being Jewish bit) a few years ago and it was kicked out of court. I don’t think the police will be arresting anyone. It will be the club expecting stewards to police any policy they come up with; not sure how that will work out.
“Being a Yok” kind of has a ring to it.
Maybe us non Jewish fans could sing that alongside our Jewish brothers in the stadium
Don't forget big brother technology.
Achtung Juden... Fuck the Jews... HOLOHOAX (new one on me) etc....Elsewhere on the same website.....
You searched for tottenham hotspur - Campaign Against Antisemitism
antisemitism.org
Over the last 12 months alone. All Spurs related:
Antisemites bombard social media claiming football’s proposed European Super League is product of Jewish greed
Twitter users have responded to news of a possible launch of a new European Super League (ESL) by blaming Jews for “ruining football.” The announcement of the ESL has proved controversial and unpopular with swathes of football fans due to the potential harm it is believed may be caused to...
CAA writes to talkSPORT demanding live on-air apology after presenters allow “He’s a Jew, he’s not gonna let him go for nothing” comment about Daniel Levy to go unchallenged
Campaign Against Antisemitism will be writing to talkSPORT to demand a live on-air apology after two of the radio show’s presenters allowed a hateful comment from a caller about Tottenham Hotspur’s chairman, Daniel Levy, to go unchallenged. The show’s segment was presented by Perry Groves, a...
Sports broadcaster Abbi Grace Summers confronts West Ham football fan hurling antisemitic abuse at her on train to Tottenham Hotspur game
The sports broadcaster Abbi Grace Summers confronted a West Ham football fan who hurled antisemitic abuse at her on a train to a game between the Hammers and Tottenham Hotspur. The abuse took place on a London Underground train on 22nd December. Footage from a video, which went viral online...
CAA calls on Met Police to disclose what action has been taken against Vitesse supporters who appeared to perform Nazi salutes against Tottenham Hotspur fans
Campaign Against Antisemitism has called on the Metropolitan Police to disclose what action has been taken against SBV Vitesse supporters who appeared to perform Nazi salutes against Tottenham Hotspur fans. The gestures were spotted at the 4th November match between the Dutch club and the North...
Newcastle United launch investigation after alleged racist gesture made towards Tottenham fans during match
Newcastle United Football Club has launched an investigation after an individual allegedly made a racist gesture towards Tottenham supporters during a Premier League match. Police have also been made aware of the incident which occurred at St James’ Park this past Sunday. Though the club has not...
More antisemitic graffiti found in Tottenham Hale include “Holohoax” and “Hitler was right” messages
Antisemitic graffiti promoting Holocaust denial and Nazi symbols has been found in Tottenham Hale. Shocking antisemitic sentiments were found scrawled along Daneland Walk in Tottenham Hale promoting Holocaust denial. Written against a property billboard, one section of graffiti read: “COVIDHOAX...
“F***” the Jews” graffitied onto billboard in Tottenham Hale
“F***” the Jews” has been found graffitied onto a billboard in North London. The billboard is situated on Ashley Road in Tottenham Hale, close to the large Jewish community in Stamford Hill and also near Tottenham Hotspur’s stadium. The football club has recently been the target of antisemitic...
Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy targeted by antisemitic abuse online
Tottenham Hotspur’s chairman, Daniel Levy, has been on the receiving end of antisemitic abuse by an unnamed Twitter user. The tweet, since removed, was said to have contained several antisemitic tropes and has been reported to the police. This comes less than 24 hours after Spurs player...
CAA calls on Ryanair to help West Ham identify and ban fans who were filmed chanting “I’ve got a foreskin haven’t you, f***ing Jew” at a Hasidic passenger on a flight to a match
Campaign Against Antisemitism has called on Ryanair to help West Ham FC identify and ban fans who were filmed chanting an antisemitic song at a Hasidic passenger on a flight to a match. The West Ham supporters were on a flight to Belgium where their club was playing KRC Genk. On the flight out...
Harry Kane suffers antisemitic abuse while black England players also on receiving end of racist chanting at qualifier match in Hungary
Harry Kane, the captain of England’s football team, has reported that he suffered antisemitic abuse at a match in Hungary yesterday. England defeated Hungary 4-0 in the Budapest qualifier match for the World Cup, with Mr Kane, who plays for Tottenham Hotspur, reporting that he received...
Millwall football hooligans’ threatening “Attention Jews” poster found near club’s stadium
A poster with the words “Achtung Juden”, which is German for “Attention Jews”, put up by the Millwall Berserkers hooligan group was found near Millwall Football Club stadium. The poster also featured the cockerel from Tottenham Hotspur Football Club’s logo with its head detached from its body...
Apparently it all happened "40 years ago" and things are sweet now.
Meh, hardly any Y-words used in any of those stories...
Apparently nothing to see here! ...it's all Spurs fans fault for daring to use one fucking word.
WE ARE NOT THE FUCKING PROBLEM!!!
The point right there.
US saying YID, or being banned from saying it, WON'T stop anti-Semites... It merely gives them the power to think they've won!
This whole argument is skewed.
Anti semites don't have to use the Y-Word to be anti Semitic... "Gas the dirty fucking Jews" does the job just fine! Hßßssssssssss!
The media and idiots like Baddiel generate most of this debate. Most non-football interested jews know nothing of this issue and would go to their grave never knowing - until a journalist or social media poll asks them if 'yid' can potentially be used offensively, and other leading non contextual questions.
Tell someone they are being disrespected or victimised and you give them another problem they didn't know they had.
Frankly the club can fuck off.
Good luck drawing in new fans to watch the shit Levy is prepared to pay for, and at premium prices.