Tottenham Hotspur versus the Bianconeri, Wembley stadium, 7th of March 2018, 1945hrs kick off

[Guido 🇺🇦]

5)He could simply say that he did not think it was appropriate for Agnelli to be there without making sarcasm.

It's ridiculous to talk about "black arts" after a match like that.

Imagine what would be being talked about had Agnelli just enjoyed his Chianti with his Pappa al pomodoro?

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

They’ll talked about the mafia, pizza and mandolino...

I would have understood controversy if there had been episodes against the Spurs but in this case everything is very sterile.

Spurs’s story in Europe in the last years ( CL and EL).

2010-11 - Champions League quarter-final exit to Real Madrid

2011-12 - Europa League group stage exit

2012-13 - Europa League quarter-final exit to Basel

2013-14 - Europa League last 16 exit to Benfica

2014-15 - Europa League last 32 exit to Fiorentina

2015-16 - Europa League last 16 exit to Borussia Dortmund

2016-17 - Champions League group stage exit; Europa League last 32 exit to Gent

2017-18 - Champions League last 16 exit to Juventus



You’re a beatiful team and you can grow until “top seats”.
Kane, Son, Eriksen, Dembélé , Dele Alli are top players.
But it’s necessary self-criticism.

An example: Antonio Conte has been fundamental for the Juventus rebirth. A real hammer.
In the international field, however, it was lacking. When we lost it was the fault of time, accidents, the short bench etc.
Allegri instead is a fox. Study your opponents until you discover every weak spot. Brings security to the players and convinces them to follow him.
Against the Spurs were missing before Matuidi- Cuadrado and after Mandzukic- Cuadrado and Bernardeschi with Higuain stopped from the match with Torino and Dybala from just 85%

What does this have to do with Angelli remaining seated at he dinner table enjoying Tottenham Hotspurs hospitality?

 

[fogueres]

What does this have to do with Agnelli remaining seated at he dinner table enjoying Tottenham Hotspurs hospitality?

It is the difference between analysis of a defeat ( not to make mistakes in similar games) and gossip.

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

It is the difference between analysis of a defeat ( not to make mistakes in similar games) and gossip.

It's not gossip, it's fact.

 

[BernardMatthews]

Jump to 3:00 for his take on Spurs following Juve defeat if you don't want to listen to the whole vid. I like that he is challenging the narrative around Juve and Spurs and I agree with it, as I've been banging on about it with our Juve friend in previous posts. Given his closeness to Poch re his book, I also like that he consistently talks about Levy, Poch and keeping players, everything he says is about the project being built rather than the one being broken up and sold off. I know that he is closer to Poch and his coaching staff than any Journalist there is, so unlike another I take what he has to say over and above any journalist (regarding Spurs).

I should see him over the next few months.

He’s always been clear that MP wants to stay at Spurs for quite a while.
Hopefully nothing changes that feeling of belonging he has with our club and fanbase.

He also has a huge amount of respect for the way he approaches not just football but life, and talking to him about Pochettino makes you realise how lucky Spurs are.

And also how grateful Pochettino is to be given this opportunity to build something at a footballing level by Daniel Levy.

 

[Lauraimage]

I'm guessing you're 13 and only started to watch football recently.

No i’m Just not deluding myself that we have anything less than a lot of hard work to achieve anything. We have come a long way under Daniel Levy, however much more hard work is to be done before we can achieve what we all want to see from this squad, Wednesday’s game was not anywhere near that for me, but I guess you haven’t watched Spurs for very long.

 

[fogueres]

I will just shortly repeat myself. It's brought up by Juventus fans because they read italian newspapers where you can read only short extracts from Pochettino's interview with no any reference to that he was questioned by the journalist and just had to reply. And no mention of previous article in French newspaper about which many Juve fans still don't know. So it reads like Pochettino just came to journalists and said: "Hey, we actually out of CL only because Juve hierarchy was in tunnel and was putting a pressure on referees". This is the angle from which italian (and not only italian) mass media prefer to show the situation. I tried to write on one Juve forum that listening to the FULL interview changes your understanding of Pochettino's words, but pre-conditioned by italian journalists fans don't even want to hear anything like this. unfortunately.

I saw poor referee decisions during the match, but they were poor for both sides. From Juve side we see more missing penalty (and following sent off of Verthongen) and Kane's header from offside, from your end you see Barzagli and Chiellini not receiving red cards. But I don't see the referee whistling only one way, so therefore I don't care much if Juve hierarchy or Spurs hierarchy is talking with officials in tunnel, though I'd prefer this doesn't happen.
OK, I admit, if Juve would be out that night and I heard about someone from Tottenham talking to the referee I would be suspicious and I hence understand your point of view. If Kane would not hit the post, but scored from the offside and it became decisive I would be even mad of Spurs putting pressure on referee.
Btw, I'm not thinking, ah fuck not again. I don't believe it will come again (haha, poor believer you will say ). I don't think our president really put some pressure on the referee, but I would like not to see such episodes in future mostly because of how other people see it. To avoid any doubtful thoughts... And to not hear that Juve is master of playing off the pitch, that hurts.

As for Allegri... Yes, I also don't like his habit to go straightly and quickly to dressing rooms. And he does it even when Juve wins. It's strange, not good, but we have to live with it (

I don't know whether I answered like a bitch again, but I think you received at least one opinion, right?

 

[SausageVince]

It does not seem to me that the Spurs played lightly. You are very technical (Eriksen and Son exceptional talents) but when it comes to making a mistake you do not back down.

PS if he gave the penalty on Douglas Costa he also warned the defender.

Chiellini's and Barzagli's fouls warranted more than they got.
I'm comfortable being critical of our team, anyone on here will tell you that, but in this game we met a dirty club. It was a sad day for football.

 

[pipes]

One thing this highlighted for me was we say Toby, Jan and Moose are coming to the end as they are nearing 30.

Then I see how their defense performed. And remember how good Pirlo was well into his thirties.

We do play a higher line, yes. And I’m not equating Pirlo and Moose exactly. But these guys experience could be critical in the next 3-4 years. Am I the only one that can see Toby and Hugo screaming with passion at one another in a major match after a great Toby tackle?

 

[fogueres]

Chiellini's and Barzagli's fouls warranted more than they got.
I'm comfortable being critical of our team, anyone on here will tell you that, but in this game we met a dirty club. It was a sad day for football.

A sad day for football?
This is football: uncertainty until the end.
Can you know the bad of football?

Juventus of Lippi lost 3 final of CL versus:

-Borussia Dtm-Juventus 3-1 Borussia full of Juventus’s refuse Paulo Sousa, Julio Cesar ecc. Riedle ( Lazio’s refuse ) and Ricken ( young star never exploded). Sammer golden ballon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Real Madrid- Juventus 1-0 with Mijatovic offside. In Juventus team Zidane, Inzaghi , Davids, Del Piero, Deschamps

-Milan-Juventus after penalty with Del Piero, Davids, Thuram, Camoranesi, Trezeguet without Nedved. After elimination Super Deportivo, Barcellona and Real Madrid.

This is football

 

[fogueres]

Chiellini's and Barzagli's fouls warranted more than they got.
I'm comfortable being critical of our team, anyone on here will tell you that, but in this game we met a dirty club. It was a sad day for football.

But have you see the sense of belonging to the team between Buffon - Chiellini - Barzagli? I want cloning!
Juventus renewed the contract a Barzagli for
to do training at Rugani and Caldara ( from Atalanta, a very good defender).
The exit of Bonucci was shock.
Bonucci said “ I or Allegri “ and at July the defense has been revolutionized.
Since Autumn Benatia played very well .
In the next year play: 2 beetwen Chiellini-Caldara- Rugani- Benatia

 

[fogueres]

In center field we suffered against Spurs: we hope in Emre Can (0€) from Liverpool with Matuidi, Pjanic, Khedira, Marchisio, ecc.

Lietchsteiner and Asamoah are contract expiry but every time are profits.

I predict like every year Turn- Over

 

[fogueres]

Fact is we weren’t outclassed.
Fact is we are disappointed becuase we were the better team for all but about 25 mins over two ties.
This is Spurs who have had just 2 season of consistent CL football.
We are disappointed we didn’t beat Juventus
They are relieved they beat us.
We lost one game in 6 against Real, Dortmund and Juve.
We should be proud.
Woolwich always fail.
They have had decades of CL and still can’t win it.
Invariably getting whacked by a decent team, the first Juve, Real or BD , they come up against.

It’s no shame.
Make no mistake Juve weren’t sure they’d win.
That’s all talk.
They were scared they were going out and they are a bit fortunate we switched off.
Davies Tripper and Sanchez.
That’s our defence. Not exactly experienced as the Juve back line in CL.
Vertonghen is our most experienced and he’s had nowhere near the amount of CL experience as Sandro.

We have to keep going and become a consistent CL club before anyone talk about underachieving.
Let’s make sure we qualify this year and put it right in 18/19. In our own gaff.

We were scared because the Spurs played a top level football.

Allegri after the first game said that the qualification would be difficult. Being finalists of the previous year is not enough as a guarantee to keep going. He has beautifully managed a team with injuries and players recovering from injuries. It was clear: he said he saw the Spurs with humility.

 

[fogueres]

Well man, definitely your fans are not so knee-jerks as Juve's and it's just a matter of mentality. I'm neither Italian nor British, but work in the international background for years and all the time see these cultural differences.
Probably my experience with dealing with different nations from all over the world without any prejudice led me to your forum because I couldn't believe that Pochettino was trying to find out-pitch excuses .
I hope any possible Italian here will not be offended, but I know many of them and always surprised how impulsive they are. Even after 30-40 y.o. they still able to act as infants. and I think it will answer you last question )

I work with many nations as I said, but not much with UK unfortunately, so it's always a pleasure to read native speakers... so thank you for adding a "knee-jerk" to my vocabulary

Where are you from? I like your comments.
You're right on many Italian supporters.
I’m italian ( from Umbria) and live in Genoa.

 

[Oleg]

Where are you from? I like your comments.
You're right on many Italian supporters.
I’m italian ( from Umbria) and live in Genoa.

Well, I was born in Russia, but live in Czech republic.
I know I'm right because I go to Italy every year (Genoa visited as well )and also have some good friends there, so I see them and their behaviour)))

 

[Maccer]

Can we please please please all vote Maccer for the bin. Horrible horrible attitude

Voted you for the bin you cunt, lets hope others follow .

 

[stevee]

Fuck off you old wankstain.

Hi Maccer,
Having gone through 12 pages of ratings I have given, this is the only one I can find where I gave you a "disagree".
I can honestly say that this was not meant at all as I had not disagreed with your previous posts on this thread.
I must of accidently hit the the wrong button.
Therefore I am changing it to agree. just wish you had asked me first.
:dierpochhug:

 

[stevee]

Hahaha! Just so everyone knows Maccer just been through and done 15 disagrees on my posts.
Am all for free speech but he's annoyed I asked for him to be binned for blatant wum and troll.

Can we please vote him for the red?

Twat!
Edit: also see stevee received similar treatment for daring to disagree

You must of seen my post on another thread.
I tried offering an apology/hand of friendship as the one post of his that I disagreed with was a genuine mistake, he has not replied.
Honestly can not believe that someone can be so childish, we ALL get "disagrees".
Everyone has different opinions, but to go through all the threads and scroll through looking for a name, purely to click disagree..... wow.

 

[Mick Cooper]

Voted you for the bin you cunt, lets hope others follow .

If you feel the need to do so - attack the content of the post, and not the poster.
None of us have any real idea of who we are communicating with, well enough, to make accurate judgements on.
Rabble rousing for punishment should be an offence in its own right IMO.

 

[stevee]

I jump out of aircraft for fun and as you can imagine when it goes wrong, a lot of analysis goes into why it happened. The same applies to car and aircraft crashes.
In all accidents, pretty much, there is a common reason.
There is rarely one big single error that causes a catastrophic outcome, it it's normally a catalogue of small errors that occur, often culminating in poor judgemental errors trying to correct the earlier ones in the chain that result in total error.
Both goals would have been prevented if a lot of people had been able to fortell the future.
Accept it for what it is. They had set a pattern of behaviour, and when they suddenly clicked out of it we, as a team, were slow to react and they scored.
Finding a scapegoat is unhelpful, working out a better way of dealing with teams unable to compete on an equal basis and who resort to cheating and violence is a more productive way forward.
IMHO

Agree, and that is the point of what I was trying to say. Lots of people (inc. me) blaming an individual error, rather than accepting that possibly it was a compilation of small errors or as I said "just one of those things"