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The 'rat' as many tried to call Winks, was somebody else who has now fucked off to Everton.
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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Winks
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Makes me think twice about training my kid so he can wear our badge in about 15 years. Sucks knowing that if we succeed, if he works hard on his football on a daily basis for the next 1.5 decades, having already put in great effort for a few years now, and he becomes a one-in-ten-million quality player, even if he'd love the club, even if he'd been raised in and gone through the ranks of the club, "supporters" would find any opportunity to piss on him from every angle unless he'd play perfectly in every game (quite possibly even then). Modern day supporters, not all, but far too many, are quite simply scum.
If you (or indeed they) are worried about what people say on the Internet. ..then in all honesty you probably should steer your child towards a less attritional career. Professional football certainly won't be for them.
Oh you arrogant cock, seriously?
Who the hell do you think you are?
You clearly have massive comprehension issues if you believe that someone who has supported the club for 50+ years doesn't want the absolute best for the club in players, team play and success.
What I'm not is an arrogant shit that thinks I'm owed something by the club just because I pay to get in, I'm an adult that can see that money talks and there are clubs with more of it than us and that the people who own the club see fiscal success as a business to be more important than silverware - until that changes we will always be also rans.
Where we differ is that I support the club and it's players wholeheartedly, and don't bitch and whine like self entitled toddler when players aren't utterly magnificent in every game.
Or refer to them with abusive names.
A lot of people are worried "about what people say on the internet". It gets quite intense for those targeted, it is bullying, and may lead to anxiety, depression, loss of motivation, and similar quite undesirable outcomes. "What people say on the internet" is a huge problem for most famous people (and many "normal" as in non-famous as well), a huge societal problem, and a huge problem for our democracy.
More relevant for this discussion: It is a problem for Spurs. Fucking with the heads of our homegrown talents by giving them tons of shit online negatively effects them as individuals, and also has a considerable negative impact on the club.
Sure, maybe the one comment from a nobody on a small, unknown forum in a shady corner of the web, doesn't have an impact in and of itself. But it adds to the total. And the total breaks people.
The thing is, people should fucking think about what they are doing, and football "supporters" in particular should think about what they say. No fotballer in the premier league is even close to being "fucking shit" or "a fraud" or "a rat". Even the least hard working and most talented of them have sacrifised and worked a shitload harder throughout their youth and into adulthood to get to where they are than pretty much anyone of the keyboard bullies.
This part is true. Winks isnt fucking shit as in completely useless as a footballer. But he is that for a premier league club that wants to be in the top 4. He should be plying his trade at a lower level , his level.
Let's be clear social media is a choice you are not obliged to read it be part of it or consume it . This is a choice. I know this from a very personal angle. My partner is in a high profile profession and dose not play the game you seem to feel is some how mandatory.
I think you give people way too much power. A complete stranger calling Harry Winks or Kane names on line has zero power unless you let it. Id have more sympathy for your position regards behaviour in the stadium. My partner has never read a review or any negative press she knows opinions are like ass holes everyone has them and they all stink. I'm a little fearful for how well you are preparing your son for what lies ahead if I am honest.
Also I'd resist the everything was better in the past regards support narrative too. The 'good old days' of support were characterised by monkey chants bullets in the post rampant homophobia and throwing urine filled carrier bags. I was there. You could argue some of that physical toxicity has gone virtual. Which for the players may actually be LESS harmful
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We can tell ourselves that SM doesn't matter, but we've literally just seem on man's trf to the big-time wrecked by a) his own SM conduct and b) a fan-bases OTT, somewhat toxic response to it.
It's very easy for me (and what I assume to be our) generation to opt out and switch off from SM; but younger gens are growing up with it; it's a completely engrained part of their life, their peer pressure and social psyche all of it's own.
I think that fans go overboard thinking that what they say makes any difference as to how a manager treats players.
The sooner fans realise that these boards are a place where they can express theit opinions that player X is great or Player Y is shit, but these views have no bearing on their status within the club the better,
Boards like this are a place of fun where differet views can be aired and those views shouldnt be ridiculed by posters with opposite opinions. Life is full of divergent opinions and if we all agreed places like this would be so boring.
Banter is fine as long as it doesnt becme personal.
For what its worth I dont think Winks is good enough to play in a team with top four ambitions. I thought he was going to be before his bad injury but for me he isnt the same player. At the same time I admire his tenacity and spirit in winning back his place, but hope without wishing him harm , that he is no longer with us next season as we have upgraded his position.
The sooner fans realise that these boards are a place where they can express theit opinions that player X is great or Player Y is shit, but these views have no bearing on their status within the club the better,
Boards like this are a place of fun where differet views can be aired and those views shouldnt be ridiculed by posters with opposite opinions. Life is full of divergent opinions and if we all agreed places like this would be so boring.
Banter is fine as long as it doesnt becme personal.
For what its worth I dont think Winks is good enough to play in a team with top four ambitions. I thought he was going to be before his bad injury but for me he isnt the same player. At the same time I admire his tenacity and spirit in winning back his place, but hope without wishing him harm , that he is no longer with us next season as we have upgraded his position.
No. He isn't "fucking shit as in completely useless as a footballer" for a club that wants to be top 4 either. You may think that he is not quite at the required level, that could be reasonable. But the truth of the matter is that he has in fact been part of a team that has come second in the Champions League and that has achieved a top 4 position in the Premier League, as a literally useful part of the squad.
I like Winks, there... I said it.
I dont agree with your opinion at all that he was a useful part of the squad. For me he was one of the worst parts of the team that finish 2nd in the CL and we have declined more and more as he has played more and more. But I dont mind you have the opposite opinion.
Some here do give him a free pass because hes come from the academy , a player we bought giving us those sort of performances would be slated by those same people.
That's fine. I baulk at the idea however you stating this has a bearing on Harry Winks mental health. That it is " effecting my mental health" mantra is so pervasive in our society that it is not allowed to be questioned It over looks the power you have to not expose yourself to the toxicity. . It is possible to choose to totally ignore the ravings of strangers on line.
If you are an adult sports men playing professionally you are obviously objectively not 'shit'. But a 50 year old over weight prediabetic saying your shit on a message board is perfectly permissible. We are building zero resilience into our kids and I fear for them.
I suspect that the truth is the player has his supporters and they don't like people being mean about him, that's fine but don't hide behind this makes others bad Spurs fans. Because it was ever thus, remember Westham fans doubting Lampard? I Recall Spurs fans resenting Gary Brooke.
Ah.
I won't back down from any of that.
Ive never refered to Winks as an abusive name. But I don't like that he shies away from tackles, that he apparantly isn't great at creating cohesion in the dressing room, and frankly isn't good enough to be in our starting 11 if we were invested in as we should be with our finances.
I won't back down from any of that.
I agree that it’s sad. Unfortunately, in every sport and in life, that’s how things are. People accuse others of things just because they can, without any evidence. They criticize people for no good reason. It’s the man in the arena, and most people haven’t a fucking clue what they’re talking about.
Winks has been going all out in his defending since Conte arrived. I am happy with his effort and the results so far.