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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Richard Arlison said:
Like he shithoused the EL Final?

Tbh VVD should have been sent off when that second leg was still 0-0, he elbowed Richarlison who was up to shithousing to start the game.

But the state of the squad and the number of games the few players we had left meant most games were pointless by that stage of the season.

If we weren't so trophy starved, he'd have played a lineup of academy kids and fucked it off much earlier, probably the United QF even.
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Well, by the EL Final we were complete shite. We'd not long won the first leg against Liverpool so I think we'd have been capable of shithousing the 2nd leg with a far better performance than what we did against united, and certainly what we did trying to go toe-to-toe with a supremely confident liverpool
 
CJJ said:
Probably would have won it by going for the classic Jose park the bus and hit them on the break when they're overloading
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But like, no we wouldn't, that never would have worked with that backline, and those were the only defenders he had.

He was pretty candid about the bus parking in Bilbao. With his top defenders in there he felt like they could absorb United's pressure. So it was.

Can there be some subtlety and flexibility between the two? "No" is a plausible answer and a good argument for finding someone new.
 
1882 said:
But he didn't win a Final though.... NONE of them did!

If winning a Trophy was so easy, then we woulda done it in 2002, 2006, 2010, 2015-16, 2019... and so on...
but we didn't.

We found a cheat code to CL football by 'only having to win' the Europa League, and not have to worry about the League...

It's not to be sniffed at...
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This isn't a cheat code it's idiotic and borderline theft under the trades descriptions act , perhaps a wee note to people spending hundreds each week to watch what you are now claiming we're glorified freindlies. It's utterly disgusting. He should be fired for this admission alone
 
FightingIllini said:
It really does beg the question of why we couldn't have played that game the way we did against United.

And like, the back 5 was Kinsky, Spence, Davies, Danso on his club debut, Gray, I get why parking the bus and inviting them onto us was an unappealing option, but it still bears explanation.
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Lol because Liverpool aren’t fucking shit like United. Even United created stuff. Liverpool would’ve battered down the door. They have actual creative players and athleticism and individual goals across the pitch.

When are we going to fundamentally accept that the way we played worked because we played a team as bad as we are? It was a shit off. We scraped it through a hilariously scrappy goal and clung on.
 
I will gladly take the EL win but we were up against a team that were terrible and played terrible so we got a break at long last to break our trophy drought. We are unlikely to be as fortunate again so a change is needed for all concerned .
 
Deuterz said:
Even United created stuff.
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Oh come on, no they didn't. The odd half chance but we completely snuffed them out. With our fit and rested defense, no creativity available in midfield, and knowing that United are in fact shit, it was a setup to win that one all-or-nothing game. We were well worth the 1-0.

Far, far from a tactical masterclass and strange in the context of Ange's words and deeds about tactics previously, but it's ridiculous to make that performance a stick to beat him with.

Deuterz said:
Not less than 40 lmao, the literal relegation marker. Only reason we weren’t close to getting relegated due to the awful bottom three.
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40 I'll grant you. 38 was a disgrace and I do believe others would have done better even under the same circumstances, it really couldn't have been any worse.

But anything above like 50 would be pure fantasy. The league form was primarily dictated by the availability of bodies with form and fitness to give to league games.

It needs to be very different next season. Is Ange capable of building and maintaining a squad that can sustain quality twice a week for a full campaign at elite physical level? Many reasons for doubt.
 
FightingIllini said:
Oh come on, no they didn't. The odd half chance but we completely snuffed them out. With our fit and rested defense, no creativity available in midfield, and knowing that United are in fact shit, it was a setup to win that one all-or-nothing game. We were well worth the 1-0.

Far, far from a tactical masterclass and strange in the context of Ange's words and deeds about tactics previously, but it's ridiculous to make that performance a stick to beat him with.


40 I'll grant you. 38 was a disgrace and I do believe others would have done better even under the same circumstances, it really couldn't have been any worse.

But anything above like 50 would be pure fantasy. The league form was primarily dictated by the availability of bodies with form and fitness to give to league games.

It needs to be very different next season. Is Ange capable of building and maintaining a squad that can sustain quality twice a week for a full campaign at elite physical level? Many reasons for doubt.
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We literally had a player clear it off the line lmaooooo, the only difference between us and them was we had van de ven doing that and they had Luke Shaw fucking up a cross. That game was a 50/50 shitfest until we dribbled in a goal, it could’ve gone either way.

I wasn’t. He did the right thing because United are only a threat on transition.

Anything above 50 fantasy? Jesus. We played AZ and Bodo during that EL run. We didn’t need total focus on it at expense of the league.

No he isn’t. We beat some shit teams in the Europa league but otherwise have been dreadful for a year and a half.
 
78Spur said:
This statement bothers me a lot, Angeball is not naive, he's been a manager for decades and the tactic is one he's used many times before.

His system accepts you'll give up chances and for that you wil create more, so the logic is risk v reward. This is why I don't believe he ever critices the defence, because he expects we'll be open occasionally.

His system doesn't work because premier league opposition is much more ruthless than the Scottish League or J League, that's not a critique of other leagues, it's just physics, the attacking quality of the Prem is way faster, more varied and productive than these other leagues. It's not naivety, it's a failure to adapt.
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Thing is we give up 20 plus attempts on our goal nearly every game whilst creating f all our selves.
 
FightingIllini said:
But like, no we wouldn't, that never would have worked with that backline, and those were the only defenders he had.

He was pretty candid about the bus parking in Bilbao. With his top defenders in there he felt like they could absorb United's pressure. So it was.

Can there be some subtlety and flexibility between the two? "No" is a plausible answer and a good argument for finding someone new.
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He had Reguillon on the bench, who was criminally neglected all seasons - even when he had few players on the ground. He put an 18 year old in a semi final against Gakpo, and Spence against Salah. Oh look a goal and an assist each.
Had Biss in that lineup too, so could have easily - heaven forbid - had some tactical nouse to use him to drop back into a 5-3-2.

Sherwood looks like Sun Tzu compared to Ange, whose tactical flexibility is basically like the slider on an old version of Championship Manager that is the same formation, just with either "Ultra Defensive" or "Gung-ho" extremities, with nothing inbetween
 
CJJ said:
Well, by the EL Final we were complete shite. We'd not long won the first leg against Liverpool so I think we'd have been capable of shithousing the 2nd leg with a far better performance than what we did against united, and certainly what we did trying to go toe-to-toe with a supremely confident liverpool
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We were pretty good in the EL final til we scored. Then the shittest of shithouse Jose ball specials ever
 
Mrs Perryman said:
The General has to be No 2, he lead us to three trophies. And where is Arthur Rowe???
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I’m not sure you have ever watched a Royal Rumble Mrs P.

But to get you up to speed.

Arthur Rowe tries a surprise push-and-run on Venables—but Harry sees it coming and tips Rowe over the ropes! (Elimination #12: Arthur Rowe)

(Clearly Venables and Redknapp have formed a tag team. The WideBoys.)
and

Keith Burkinshaw—He’s grappling with Ange Postecoglou near the ropes. Ange, fired up after eliminating George Graham earlier, channels that aggression and uses a running big boot to send Keith over the top rope! (Elimination #13: Keith Burkinshaw)


Harsh on the two legends but according to Mr Chat this is what would happen. Or possibly has happened in an alternate universe.
 
Deuterz said:
Lol what? It was 50/50 at best. What had we created or done that made us pretty good? Both sides were passing the ball immediately back to the other team.

Neither side played well in that final for any period of the game.
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I was elated to finally win a trophy but it might well be the shittest game of football I've ever watched, and having had Sky Sports as a nipper I've watched plenty a match of the old Stoke v Bolton kind of quality out of sheer boredom.
 
CJJ said:
Ho ho ho.

So much less funny than "why don't I play that cauliflower-headed teenager against Gakpo, mate?"

4 goals later...
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I mean fine, and I do agree, but this all circles back to the wisdom that

A. we were most likely fucked no matter what we did
B. our only real hope was to play our football as expansively as we could and try to hurt them and generate chances

We had no bus to park in that game. United was a different story.

(Yes, I am aware I have argued myself out of my own post like an hour ago. I contain multitudes.)
 
FightingIllini said:
I mean fine, and I do agree, but this all circles back to the wisdom that

A. we were most likely fucked no matter what we did
B. our only real hope was to play our football as expansively as we could and try to hurt them and generate chances

We had no bus to park in that game.
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I didn't say park the bus. I said shithousery.

There's a huge difference, and it is one that we have come up often enough under ange for him to know it. Woolwich have spent 4 seasons finishing in the top 4 with it. We've seen Vicario suffer from it.
 
CJJ said:
I didn't say park the bus. I said shithousery.

There's a huge difference, and it is one that we have come up often enough under ange for him to know it. Woolwich have spent 4 seasons finishing in the top 4 with it. We've seen Vicario suffer from it.
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It's a tall order at Anfield with all our youth and inexperience.

And our Dark Artist Extraordinaire Romero unavailable.

We shithoused United brilliantly though.
 
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